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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with a Sunday edition of UFO

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news network Sunday a rarity these days

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it seems but here we are on a Sunday our

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usual day for going through a show and

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with me Hannah my co-host and chant

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we've got a very special guest today why

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don't you bring the mystery guest in

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what the folks know all about him I will

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you know I think he deserves a lot of

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credit he's been involved in the field

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of journalism for many years and I would

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like the opportunity to read his bio

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Dave Scott is the creator and host of

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Canada's spaced-out radio running Monday

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through Friday nights on spaced out

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radio calm a former radio journalist

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Dave graduated with the Diploma in

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broadcast communications for one of

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Canada's top broadcasting schools BCIT

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in 98 Dave then spent 10 years in radio

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mostly working in sports before leaving

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the field to pursue other interests

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Dave's personal quest into the unknown

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started in December of 2011 when he had

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contact for what he calls the Angel of

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Death daddy saw his mother's eyes which

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led to his first channeling experience

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after this incident Dave's personal

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experiences become became more frequent

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paranormal experiences premonitions

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started coming true a Bigfoot sighting

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with two of the creatures spotted within

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10 feet of him

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UFOs started appearing any time he

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wanted even though Dave had no idea what

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summoning was and personal sightings of

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six extraterrestrials one who he

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nicknamed Carl on November 30th 2014

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dave launched spaced out radio dave's

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decade as a journalist helped him craft

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his style of interview making it

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comfortable and personal first guests

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and listeners alike he looks at himself

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as one of the only trained and

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experienced experienced radio

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journalists who is also a multiple

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experiencer of the unknown this has

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proven to be a very popular very popular

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broadcast both on terrestrial and online

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radio to over 150,000 people nightly as

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spaced out radio is becoming one of the

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most popular alternative radio show

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shows in its genre welcome Dave to the

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show it's so good being able to talk to

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you again hi thank you so much for

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having me what a pleasure it is to be

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able to speak with you guys and be on

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the other side of the microphone because

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both of you have been on spaced-out

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radio a couple of times now and and now

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I guess it's returning the favor so I

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appreciate you taking the opportunity

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appreciate it Davey yeah Dave thank you

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for being on the show I wanted to start

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off the show by asking a little bit

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about your journalism experience can you

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share a little bit about that well what

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kicked things off for me was back on

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December 13th 2011 and it was a night

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that I will never forget because my

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daughter at the time was 11 12 years old

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and she was going to be going on a

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Christmas cruise with her grandparents

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and I wasn't going to be able to see my

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daughter over the holidays over

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Christmas and New Year's

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so my side of the family because my

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ex-wife and I were no longer together so

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she was going with her mom's parents

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down to the Caribbean and I was very

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very jealous of that but because I've

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never been but nonetheless we wanted to

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make something special for her and we

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had decided that we were going to do her

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side of Christmas and we do up a turkey

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dinner and everything to go along with

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that and that way she could open her

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presents and my entire side of my family

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was there so my parents were there my

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nieces my nephew's my sisters my

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grandmother and my uncle and and a few

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friends so we had about 20 25 people in

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the house and everything was going great

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just like you normally would have it

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happen on a holiday night and we were

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just having a good time this was a

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and everything was just perfect perfect

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my parents announced that they were

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leaving so I happen to be in the dining

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room living room area of my house at

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that time just kind of tidying up some

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dishes and and some garbage you know

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like Christmas wrapping paper that was

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around that in the other room or the

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kitchen kind of met up with the

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television room that's where everybody

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was because there was a Canucks hockey

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game on they were playing the Columbus

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and laughing and dessert was being

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served and all of this and so I decided

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to make my way into the kitchen because

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that's where my mother was and my father

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was you know somewhere else and and we

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were making our way to the kitchen and I

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had I remember putting like the plates

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and glasses on the dining room table so

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that way I could have my hands-free for

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my mother to give her a hug and I walked

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through the threshold I take one step

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through the threshold of my dining room

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into my kitchen and this is where my

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span as I took that step from my dining

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room to my kitchen I noticed something

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there was no sound on the television

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everybody was standing still and I had

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my arms open waiting for my mother to

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come in and embrace me with a hug and

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realized that there was something odd

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my mother's beautiful blue eyes were

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jet-black with her pupils now white

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staring at me and I kind of tilted my

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head to the side as I'm looking into my

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mother's eyes and my mother had this

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look of shock in her eyes kind of like

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oh you see B and I immediately got sick

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to my stomach and wanted to burst out

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crying because at that moment I knew I

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don't know how I knew

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but I knew I was looking into the eyes

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of the Angel of Death

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and as I recognized it my mother kind of

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shook her head her eyes went back to

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blue the sound on the television went

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back on and everybody in that room

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started talking and and doing whatever

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my mother came in and hugged me and like

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nothing had happened

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and I'm standing there stunned

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absolutely stunned because I know what I

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just saw

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I'd never really had anything paranormal

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happened to me up until that point and I

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ended up going to walking down the

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hallway to my bedroom and my my wife

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what's wrong and because she's quite

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empathic and I said I just saw the Angel

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of Death in my mother's eyes and so I

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quickly gathered my emotions and went

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back to the door when my parents were

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now at the front door getting ready to

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leave I gave my mother another hug I

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them and then I caught my breath went

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need and the urge that I needed to break

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I was going to see my mother and so that

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was kind of on my mind the entire night

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and a couple hours later after everybody

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the night I ended up going into the

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living room and Jolene and I kind of sat

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down in our in our living room and we

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had a loveseat and a couch that we're

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there was a table in between so she's

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like you don't why don't we try and

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figure out what you saw I said okay so

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she went and got some white candles put

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the candles on the table lit them and I

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just kind of sat back and relaxed and

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she just started out asking me some

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questions the next thing I know I'm

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channeling the Angel of Death

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I've never channeled before I'd never

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heard of channeling before my definition

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of channeling was having a remote

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control in my hand and flipping the

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channels very very quickly however when

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you have a spirit into your body you

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fight it and you you just don't accept

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what is happening so Jolene was really

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calming me down letting me go through it

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so that's what I did and the message

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that I received I don't remember the

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majority of that conversation between

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Jolene and the angel of death but what I

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do remember is the fact that there was a

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very serious talk the angel the death

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said that I was not supposed to see him

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but because I did he came because he

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felt he owed me an explanation

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he said that my mother indeed was very

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ill my mother is a former colon cancer

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and breast cancer survivor and what had

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happened over time as my mother went

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through chemotherapy and radiation and

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this sounds like such a jerk of a

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comment but I will I will make it

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because it's true my mother became

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addicted to the sympathy that she was

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getting and so we as a family were

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watching this happen and instead of

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fighting and trying to get better and

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healthy my mother seemed to really enjoy

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being sick and it pissed us off pissed

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off my sister's a pissed off my dad it

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pissed off me like you would call up my

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mom's house mom and dad's house and mom

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would answer the phone and she'd be like

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hello and you'd be like hi mom it's me

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and she'd be like oh I'm in so much pain

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pain the pain you know I'm exaggerating

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there a little bit but that's typically

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what it was like and it just got sick of

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it every day and you know my sisters and

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I stopped calling my mom and you know if

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we called it was take and we talked to

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dad and and all of this and and anyway

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is the Angel of Death really scolded me

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for that because my mother was in pain

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she was sick she was not healthy and he

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said and I will never forget this as

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long as I live he said if you as a

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family do not start showing your mother

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more love and respect I'm going to take

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her home

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he didn't say heaven he didn't say hell

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he said I'm going to take her home

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well this scared the living daylights

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out of me so I remember asking him how

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do we keep my mother alive he goes start

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showing her that love and respect start

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calling her start appreciating her and

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you better tell the people around you

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too so I did and seven and a half years

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later my mother is still alive

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and that's what kicked off everything

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that happened to me in the last seven

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years that's incredible

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I was lost in your story David it's a

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heavy one

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it's a hippie story yeah it's it's

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fascinating also you touch upon a

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subject about six extraterrestrials and

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one you've named Carl do you care to

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touch to to talk about that just a

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little bit for our listeners sure I'm an

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open I'm an open book

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so as everything kind of moved forward

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with my experiences short do you mind if

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I take a little bit of the long road oh

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yes please do we got plenty of time all

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right

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so and after that incident with my

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there i within a couple of days I

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noticed I started having intuitive

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premonitions I remember going to a rock

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concert a couple days later with a very

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very famous band seeing the guitarist on

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stage and telling my best friend that

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she was going to meet him and date him

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they ran face-to-face into each other 11

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months later at the Hard Rock Hotel in

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Las Vegas and started hanging out that

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was kind of impressive for me I started

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on almost automatically after that my

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house became haunted

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we started getting ghosts coming around

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whether it was around me whether it was

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around my kids whether it was anything

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we started getting the spirits around

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and I started shortly after that I met a

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gentleman named Pascal who is probably

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one of the most important and

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influential people that I've ever had in

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my life

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and Pascal the first night I met him

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came in and he said how far down the

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rabbit hole do you want to go and I said

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well let's just go all the way because

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curiosity is what was taking this over

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so I figured let's try it out let's see

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where it goes

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so that David just to jump in at this

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point you're still what india vancouver

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metro area yeah east of Vancouver a city

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called Mission British Columbia okay

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you're what are you working in the media

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actively at this point as well no I got

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out of radio in on July 4th 2007

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10:47 p.m. I signed off the air for the

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final time okay how's that for accuracy

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but but the next day I started in in

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financing and you know the reason why I

320
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got out of radio Frank I had my dream

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job okay I was always a sports guy

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alright I always wanted to work in

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hockey I always wanted to work in in the

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NHL I knew I was never going to do it as

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a player I was coaching hockey on the

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side which I was having some success

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with

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I had coached up to a level called

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junior B and and that's a good level

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yeah yeah and you know I was a hockey

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instructor I trained 15 kids that went

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on to play pro for them made the NHL and

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it was it was pretty exciting times like

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that's what I wanted to do in my life I

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wanted to be a hockey coach or involved

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in hockey so I figured one of the best

337
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ways that I could do that while I was

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coaching hockey was to get into radio

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sports radio as well because then I

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would have the ability to to talk hockey

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almost every day and so in 2007 I

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decided to get out because after 10

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years of trying almost having some luck

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meeting some great people great people

345
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along the way I ended up just having a

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tough time living alright I I got sick

347
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and tired of of trying to decide do I

348
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pay rent or do I eat or do I put gas in

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my vehicle to get to work and it just

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wasn't I'm 34 years old at this time and

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it wasn't conducive to what I was trying

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to do so in that run and I and I changed

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careers it was very difficult for me on

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an emotional level not on a on a

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personal level or financial level but on

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a personal level it was very difficult

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for me and it was something that I never

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thought I would do because I really

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wanted to do this really wanted to do

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this and just never got that opportunity

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so I didn't start space out radio until

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November 30th 2014 now at that point I

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had had some major experiences so it was

364
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like a build-up like going back to where

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I predicted my you know this happened

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with my mom to predicting the my friend

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was going to date a rock star to my

368
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house becoming haunted and meeting

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Pascal and him kind of working with me

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for the better

371
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of two years to try and figure out what

372
00:18:52,790 --> 00:18:50,670
the hell is going on with me and him

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taking down that taking me down this

374
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rabbit hole where I was working on this

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channeling stuff that I was very

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unfamiliar with and working on other

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things as well

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I could actually tell you a little bit

379
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more about that Pascale and is he have

380
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an academic background is you know jail

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or a psychic or just a guy you met

382
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Pascal is this beast of a man who is

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about six foot four about 350 pounds the

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hands the the size of a of a football

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offensive lineman okay and yet the kind

386
00:19:32,570 --> 00:19:29,450
of soul you'll ever meet

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okay I wouldn't want to piss him off was

388
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I mean he you know one one punch and

389
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like do you shake his hand and he lets

390
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you know that he is a very very strong

391
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man but the heart of gold and he has

392
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been spiritually working with people for

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a couple of decades and he is one of the

394
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kindest people I have ever met in my

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life and so like he never went to school

396
00:20:03,260 --> 00:19:59,430
for this he went to he's a brilliant man

397
00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:03,270
he has a very high-paying career but the

398
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spiritual side is what really drives him

399
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and so we started working on all of

400
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these different techniques so so once -

401
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twice a week we were working on the

402
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channeling and then we were working on

403
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my intuition to try and build that up

404
00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:20,340
and he was he's very spiritual so he

405
00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:22,980
holds a spiritual sessions where you

406
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know he would clean your blockages and

407
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:28,860
and all sorts of chakra cleansing and I

408
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,840
didn't know what any of this was to me

409
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:33,360
you know being a I don't want to say it

410
00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:35,250
was a five senses guy because I always

411
00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:37,470
believed in the strange and weird but it

412
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really was an eye-opener for me like

413
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:42,240
some of the conversations we had he'd be

414
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like get mad at me hit me if you need

415
00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:45,600
hit me and I'm like I'm not gonna hit

416
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you

417
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:55,680
and and so we would go on these long

418
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drives for like like two three hours in

419
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:02,840
middle of nowhere no destination nothing

420
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,110
and it was all about trying to cleanse

421
00:21:11,139 --> 00:21:08,720
and get rid of my anger and and my

422
00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:11,149
anxiety that I had built up over the

423
00:21:17,230 --> 00:21:13,070
years so that way I could be more

424
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spiritually fulfilled and and it worked

425
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:19,309
you know like I didn't believe in that

426
00:21:26,289 --> 00:21:22,250
crap but it worked and the more I worked

427
00:21:28,899 --> 00:21:26,299
with Pascal the more we opened up and

428
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,909
that's when I started recognizing things

429
00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:30,799
more like we'd go on these long drives

430
00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:34,340
and I would see shadows along the side

431
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:35,990
of the road whether it was people or

432
00:21:40,810 --> 00:21:37,850
animals you passed that part of the road

433
00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:40,820
there's nothing there you know it was

434
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,070
heightening my intuition every day that

435
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:45,919
I that I talked to him and it was really

436
00:21:53,169 --> 00:21:49,370
heightening up the channeling and as the

437
00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:53,179
experiences kept coming heading into

438
00:22:00,909 --> 00:21:57,710
2013 he started saying to me Dave my

439
00:22:02,889 --> 00:22:00,919
guides are telling me you need to start

440
00:22:07,539 --> 00:22:02,899
working with extraterrestrials and UFOs

441
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:07,549
more and I said dope I said that stuff

442
00:22:16,029 --> 00:22:14,090
scares me and he goes why he goes Mike

443
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:16,039
when I was gonna interrupt you again and

444
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:21,200
ask you that same class as where it kind

445
00:22:25,450 --> 00:22:23,450
of turned he goes he kept bugging and

446
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:25,460
pestering me he's like you don't have a

447
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:29,360
choice I said what about freewill I do

448
00:22:36,060 --> 00:22:33,710
have a choice he goes well the guides

449
00:22:38,499 --> 00:22:36,070
want you to start working with

450
00:22:40,779 --> 00:22:38,509
extraterrestrials you need to start

451
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:40,789
embracing the ETS and he bugged me about

452
00:22:45,249 --> 00:22:42,129
this for months

453
00:22:46,629 --> 00:22:45,259
months and I fought it and I'm like no

454
00:22:50,409 --> 00:22:46,639
I'm not going there

455
00:22:52,779 --> 00:22:50,419
no I don't want to go there they scare

456
00:22:55,509 --> 00:22:52,789
me I saw fire in the sky I saw what

457
00:22:57,639 --> 00:22:55,519
happened to Travis Walton you know I'm

458
00:23:01,360 --> 00:22:57,649
not going there I'm not gonna get anal

459
00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:01,370
probe like Whitley and in communion no

460
00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:04,190
I'm staying right away from that and

461
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:07,460
anyways this continued he kept on

462
00:23:16,669 --> 00:23:12,330
pressuring me and as he pressured me

463
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:16,679
I started seeing UFOs in the sky it got

464
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,450
to the point where we would call people

465
00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:23,760
over and say hey it's a beautiful spring

466
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night come on over and hang out on our

467
00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:28,890
patio for it will have a cold beer and

468
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:31,590
we'll watch some UFOs fly over and this

469
00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:33,570
one instance I recall when I told

470
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:39,870
friends that we saw two UFOs it started

471
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:41,610
the first one was at about ten o'clock

472
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:47,130
at night and we ended up seeing this

473
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:51,450
orange rod it looked like a dumbbell the

474
00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:53,490
old school dumbbell where we saw this

475
00:23:59,480 --> 00:23:55,950
orange rod with two silver orbs on I

476
00:24:01,400 --> 00:23:59,490
with a silver orb on either end and we

477
00:24:07,910 --> 00:24:01,410
watched it fly from the southeast to the

478
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,920
northwest and from there my friends were

479
00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:10,320
like holy cow how did you know that was

480
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:13,590
going to be happening and I said I had

481
00:24:19,790 --> 00:24:16,860
no idea but I have a feeling we're not

482
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:19,800
done I have a feeling there's one more

483
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,220
that we're gonna see more and 25 minutes

484
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:25,860
later you know when you when you get

485
00:24:30,290 --> 00:24:27,929
about halfway through a bottle of beer

486
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:30,300
you start to kind of tilt your head back

487
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,320
to drink well that's what I did and as I

488
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:37,440
tilted my head my eyes kind of looked up

489
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:39,210
and something caught my eye so I brought

490
00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:41,400
my bottle down I brought my head back up

491
00:24:47,419 --> 00:24:44,070
to see what it was and I said what the f

492
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:47,429
is that and my friend said where and I

493
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:49,650
pointed up to the sky and my friends

494
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:51,750
were like oh my god there was a black

495
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:56,640
triangle hovering over our house and the

496
00:25:03,500 --> 00:24:59,700
undercarriage of that triangle was a

497
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:03,510
bunch of orange rods connected by silver

498
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:07,440
orbs and we watched this and it was a

499
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:12,059
cloudless night beautiful night and we

500
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,250
watched this triangle fly north of us

501
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:20,400
and it was like a door opened up in the

502
00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:23,610
sky and we watched it disappear into the

503
00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:25,680
orb from the tip of the Tri

504
00:25:33,290 --> 00:25:28,590
all the way back until it was completely

505
00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:33,300
gone that was kind of freaky so of

506
00:25:39,050 --> 00:25:34,830
course I get back on the phone with

507
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:39,060
Pascal yeah tell him about that

508
00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:40,530
experience he goes you gotta believe me

509
00:25:46,790 --> 00:25:44,190
yet said fine I will do it I put my

510
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:46,800
trust in faith in you and I will do it

511
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:49,170
what the hell you know and that's

512
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:53,970
exactly what I did and then as we went

513
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:55,770
through the year I mean it wasn't every

514
00:26:04,250 --> 00:25:58,620
night we were seeing UFOs but it was it

515
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:04,260
was very often it was frequent I've seen

516
00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:07,410
a total since if I if I accumulate the

517
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:09,990
total of UFOs I've seen over over that

518
00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:13,080
time I've probably seen a hundred and

519
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:18,390
forty hundred and fifty UFOs so it's it

520
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,460
still blows me away to even say that

521
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,440
number because now that I'm involved in

522
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:25,200
this genre it doesn't make any sense

523
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:29,610
it sounds like I'm biessing and so

524
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:33,330
that's just the way it was and then in

525
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:36,480
March of 2014 as we rolled the calendar

526
00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:44,730
year I started I started seeing a lot

527
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:52,470
more and in March of 2014 I don't know

528
00:27:01,550 --> 00:26:58,770
if I was taken I don't know if I was if

529
00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:01,560
I was in a dream state but I recall

530
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,870
being in a bright white room I knew

531
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:05,460
there was walls I knew there was a

532
00:27:15,050 --> 00:27:08,760
ceiling even though I could not see them

533
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:15,060
and from there I remember hearing this

534
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:18,570
man this voice of a man now to kind of

535
00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:22,200
lead up to this for the last three years

536
00:27:27,050 --> 00:27:24,600
ever since I had that experience with my

537
00:27:30,410 --> 00:27:27,060
mother and as a UFO started becoming

538
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:30,420
more prevalent every time I had an

539
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:34,260
experience being the journalist that I

540
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:38,150
was trained to be I would literally go

541
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:39,450
Frank

542
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,420
and enchant and I would be awake until

543
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:45,360
2:00 3:00 4:00 in the morning every

544
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:47,610
night and I would go to bed with my

545
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:50,460
laptop on my lap watching YouTube videos

546
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:53,880
or watching television shows anything I

547
00:28:00,050 --> 00:27:57,600
could to try and learn what was going on

548
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:00,060
try and learn everything that was

549
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:01,110
happening to me

550
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:04,980
alright and I always found things that

551
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:08,520
were almost similar but never quite

552
00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:11,940
right to what I was experiencing and I

553
00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:14,190
remember getting very frustrated with

554
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:18,680
that very frustrated with that and so I

555
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:22,200
get taken it's around March 15th March

556
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:25,260
20th I get taken into this bright white

557
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:27,870
room like I said I don't know if I was

558
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:30,120
taken or I don't know if it was just a

559
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:32,730
dream and this male voice comes on and

560
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:35,190
says Dave we no longer want you watching

561
00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:37,710
any television shows we know what longer

562
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:39,270
want you reading any books on the

563
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:42,090
subject we do not want you watching and

564
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:44,490
or listening to any radio shows do not

565
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:47,490
join any paranormal groups stop it just

566
00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:49,860
stop everything however we give you

567
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:53,070
permission to watch YouTube videos and I

568
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:54,480
remember kind of laughing at that

569
00:28:57,980 --> 00:28:56,220
because that sounded weird I said you're

570
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:57,990
taking I said I'm just trying to figure

571
00:29:01,580 --> 00:28:59,490
out what is going on with me and you're

572
00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:01,590
taking everything away except YouTube I

573
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:03,870
said I don't understand this male voice

574
00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:07,140
said the answer is simple you will be

575
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:09,300
able to tell what is real and what is

576
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:12,090
fake and the next thing I know I wake up

577
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:16,710
just like I normally would and from

578
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:21,030
there three weeks later I go over to my

579
00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:24,060
friend's house they had like a mini SETI

580
00:29:27,770 --> 00:29:26,070
wrench they had ten acres in the

581
00:29:29,270 --> 00:29:27,780
backwoods on top of a mountain in

582
00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:29,280
Mission British Columbia there were only

583
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:32,040
two houses on their street that was

584
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:34,140
hoarse those houses were horse shoed by

585
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:37,890
a forest and you know their neighbors

586
00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:40,830
were an elderly couple no children they

587
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:44,070
usually went to bed before 9 o'clock and

588
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:46,470
this was about 9:30 at night I arrived

589
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:49,020
there and I started I realized that I

590
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:51,300
was having a migraine headache coming

591
00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:53,220
along but a half an hour

592
00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:55,230
later I realized it wasn't a migraine it

593
00:30:00,169 --> 00:29:57,620
was actually shapes pulsating in my head

594
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:00,179
it started off in the front of my head

595
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:04,080
as a swear moved to the right side of my

596
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,020
head as a triangle then moved to the

597
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:09,539
left side of my head as a circle before

598
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:22,180
society subsided what happened there was

599
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,650
I realized that I was being hit with an

600
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:27,600
anxiety attack that I needed to go

601
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:29,730
outside so I told my wife I said I got

602
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:31,320
to go outside right now I got to go back

603
00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:32,970
in the back field of the property I

604
00:30:36,919 --> 00:30:34,950
don't know what's going on and my voice

605
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:36,929
is getting faster and everything like

606
00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:39,240
that and she goes oh can I come with you

607
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:41,070
I said no you need to stay in here with

608
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:43,260
our boy because our son was only about

609
00:30:50,270 --> 00:30:47,010
eight months old at that time and the

610
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,280
wife of who the wife and husband who

611
00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:52,320
owned and I don't talk to her anymore

612
00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:57,080
she she I will never mention her by name

613
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:00,750
she says to her hubby dave is picking

614
00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:02,970
something up we need to go outside right

615
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:04,950
now and I looked at her and I said he's

616
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:08,850
not invited why would I tell somebody

617
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:10,650
that they're not invited onto their own

618
00:31:20,659 --> 00:31:16,470
property right so her being very very

619
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:20,669
intuitive and I go outside we go into

620
00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:23,520
the back field and I said and you could

621
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:28,460
just feel that something was around and

622
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,480
and it was very very strange because the

623
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,640
energy around you just you didn't know

624
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:37,380
where to look but you knew there was

625
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:40,289
something going to happen so I said out

626
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:42,450
of God's peace love and light you called

627
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:45,090
me outside can you please show me where

628
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:47,490
you are and I said it at that exact

629
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,460
volume that I'm speaking to you guys and

630
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:53,220
from a hundred fifty yards away by the

631
00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:57,299
forest in the neighbor's field then and

632
00:32:02,029 --> 00:31:58,830
there was a tree line in between the

633
00:32:03,770 --> 00:32:02,039
property's the entire tree line between

634
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:03,780
the two properties lit up like a

635
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:05,900
Christmas tree

636
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:07,850
it was the brightest white light I've

637
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:11,240
ever seen it was pure but you could

638
00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:12,320
still look at it

639
00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:17,270
it wasn't blinding and so now I'm

640
00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:19,700
thinking holy crap this light just

641
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,740
turned on on my command did I say it

642
00:32:25,659 --> 00:32:23,840
loud enough no I said it at the exact

643
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:25,669
same volume as I'm talking to you

644
00:32:33,070 --> 00:32:29,120
I started listening am i hearing people

645
00:32:35,049 --> 00:32:33,080
laughing or joking around or whatever no

646
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:35,059
I'm not hearing anybody could it be

647
00:32:38,169 --> 00:32:36,590
somebody running around with one of

648
00:32:41,169 --> 00:32:38,179
those hundred thousand candle watt

649
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:41,179
flashlights and turning it off and on

650
00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:42,559
and we just it just happened to be

651
00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:45,409
coincidence okay no there's no shadows

652
00:32:48,130 --> 00:32:47,390
there's nothing okay this is getting

653
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:48,140
weird

654
00:32:56,049 --> 00:32:51,470
all right and after about 30 seconds the

655
00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:56,059
lights went off so I looked at my friend

656
00:33:02,680 --> 00:32:58,700
and I kind of use an expletive holy crap

657
00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:02,690
and she goes do it again see if there if

658
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:03,620
they're still here

659
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:05,929
so I said if you are of alien descent

660
00:33:09,310 --> 00:33:07,730
out of God's peace love and like can you

661
00:33:12,370 --> 00:33:09,320
please turn your lights back on

662
00:33:14,019 --> 00:33:12,380
boom lights come back on this time

663
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:14,029
they're brighter through the trees and

664
00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:18,049
wider and and everything is is amazing

665
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,100
and I start seeing this little tinge of

666
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,039
blue through the trees and I move about

667
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:27,679
15 feet to my right to try and find a

668
00:33:31,659 --> 00:33:29,750
path through the trees that I could see

669
00:33:35,019 --> 00:33:31,669
what this blue was and I find that path

670
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,029
and there's this blue cylinder that is

671
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:37,039
standing vertically now the trees in

672
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:39,830
between the property were probably 55 60

673
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:42,289
feet tall this blue cylinder was going

674
00:33:46,269 --> 00:33:44,360
up about halfway in those trees even

675
00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:46,279
though it was on the ground and there's

676
00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:48,590
blue cylinder to describe it if you take

677
00:33:53,649 --> 00:33:51,380
the blue off of a police cars emergency

678
00:33:55,810 --> 00:33:53,659
lights a little bit darker than that

679
00:33:58,180 --> 00:33:55,820
just a tad darker than that it was

680
00:34:01,210 --> 00:33:58,190
beautiful and there was this black cloud

681
00:34:03,549 --> 00:34:01,220
that was rotating counterclockwise at

682
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,559
the bottom and sometimes it would go up

683
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:05,120
to the halfway point of this blue

684
00:34:10,839 --> 00:34:07,220
cylinder and then back down the white

685
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:10,849
light was emanating all around this blue

686
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:12,290
cylinder it didn't look like it was

687
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:14,629
touching it but it was like all around

688
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:16,820
it kind of shooting from the bottom into

689
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:19,760
the trees and it was

690
00:34:26,050 --> 00:34:22,010
gorgeous and after 30 seconds the lights

691
00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:26,060
went off again now we're like whoa my

692
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:28,340
friend says let's walk over there and

693
00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:32,149
I'm like nope and she's like why not and

694
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:34,520
I said because we don't know what that

695
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:38,330
is and just in case I am NOT walking

696
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:41,750
back to that house alone well you go on

697
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:43,250
this ride and I don't know if they're

698
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:44,929
ever gonna bring you back once again

699
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:46,610
using the whole Travis Walton type

700
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:52,700
theory and and so we she stayed right by

701
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:54,590
me and she goes well let's see if

702
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:57,110
they'll turn him on one more time I said

703
00:35:06,070 --> 00:34:58,970
okay not a problem

704
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:06,080
and and so I said out of God's peace

705
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:09,620
love and light could you please turn

706
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:11,990
your lights on one final time so I know

707
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:15,500
I'm not crazy boom lights come on

708
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:16,850
they're just as bright we're seeing

709
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:18,920
absolutely everything that we saw before

710
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:22,760
now guys you know how in ufology there's

711
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:25,370
a big debate on whether or not these

712
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:29,480
so-called power-ups that we see these

713
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:31,100
lights in the sky and all the sudden

714
00:35:35,020 --> 00:35:33,110
they go really really bright and then

715
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,030
disappear there's a big debate on

716
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,000
whether or not those are satellites

717
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,640
where the Sun is reflecting or something

718
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:42,800
along those lines right so some of them

719
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:44,600
absolutely are I've seen plenty of them

720
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:47,570
and some of the maps yeah the reflection

721
00:35:52,810 --> 00:35:49,940
a lot of times they're landsat's with

722
00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:52,820
solar panels and absolutely and you can

723
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:55,160
kind of tell I've done enough sky

724
00:36:01,230 --> 00:35:57,170
watching myself you can kind of tell a

725
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:01,240
little bit before it happened so yeah

726
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:03,890
they're fun to watch they're amazing but

727
00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:06,770
there are those are our stuff those are

728
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:10,820
our space yeah so you know exactly so I

729
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:12,950
saw a lot of those and I always

730
00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:14,660
considered them satellites because I

731
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:17,540
wasn't into the whole UFO thing but

732
00:36:25,330 --> 00:36:22,160
after 30 seconds of this craft having

733
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:25,340
its lights on it turned its lights off

734
00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:28,070
and then powered them up really bright

735
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:30,140
then turned them off powered them on

736
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:32,810
really bright turned it off did that

737
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:33,590
tent

738
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:37,880
before the craft disappeared and we were

739
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:39,080
standing there trying to communicate

740
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:41,420
with it again didn't hear a damn thing

741
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:46,160
it was gone gone completely gone so

742
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:48,470
after about 10 minutes of trying to Rica

743
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,540
Munich ate with it we we go in the house

744
00:36:55,570 --> 00:36:52,400
kind of blown away tell everybody what

745
00:36:58,510 --> 00:36:55,580
we saw now me being the journalist or

746
00:37:00,430 --> 00:36:58,520
the former journalist now I didn't sleep

747
00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:00,440
for five days we've just had a close

748
00:37:05,410 --> 00:37:02,540
encounter of the third kind you don't

749
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:05,420
I'm saying right and and now I'm trying

750
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:07,850
to figure this thing out of what it was

751
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:10,460
I saw and I'm breaking down every second

752
00:37:15,550 --> 00:37:13,010
in my brain trying to look online to see

753
00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:15,560
if anybody has seen blue cylinder UFOs

754
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:18,020
can't find a damn thing about it on

755
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:22,450
Google or anything I'm frustrated so on

756
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,570
April 14th four days later we get a

757
00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:28,400
phone call from the lady of the house it

758
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:31,220
says hey I've met this new friend she's

759
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:34,670
a lifelong eet contactee she's coming

760
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:36,410
over for tea tomorrow would you like to

761
00:37:39,850 --> 00:37:38,630
come I happen to have the day off so the

762
00:37:41,890 --> 00:37:39,860
wife says do you want to come with me I

763
00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:41,900
said sure it's the first time I've been

764
00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:44,390
back to the property since this incident

765
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:47,180
so the next day it's early afternoon

766
00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:51,290
it's about what about 1:30 and we get

767
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:54,860
there and and you know the kids are all

768
00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:57,920
in school and it's a beautiful spring

769
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:00,920
sunshiny date on a cloud in the sky with

770
00:38:08,110 --> 00:38:04,720
that that warmth in the air that that

771
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:08,120
humidity the warmth that we get on the

772
00:38:13,180 --> 00:38:11,450
west coast and we're sitting there you

773
00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:13,190
know having this chat I don't want to

774
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:15,080
sit down I'm like pacing and I'm looking

775
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,760
out the windows to where this happened

776
00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:19,040
because it's my first time back there

777
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:21,980
since since five days previous where we

778
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,650
saw this craft and Samantha mowett is

779
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:27,440
her name and to me she's the best kept

780
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:31,010
secret in ufology she she comes up and

781
00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:33,290
she says Dave you look like you want to

782
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,350
go outside I said yeah she goes do you

783
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:38,930
want me to go with you I've met this

784
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:43,250
girl 2025 minutes and I said sure so we

785
00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:45,980
walk back into the field and we walk in

786
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:47,540
from our neighbor's side

787
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:49,370
or from our friends side I'm showing her

788
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:51,710
where this craft was in the neighbors

789
00:38:57,610 --> 00:38:54,290
side and Samantha's quite intuitive and

790
00:38:59,890 --> 00:38:57,620
she starts picking up this craft and she

791
00:39:01,900 --> 00:38:59,900
goes okay I could see where it was and

792
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,910
I'm picking up the energy and then after

793
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:03,680
about 15 minutes it's about two o'clock

794
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,870
in the afternoon now and Samantha says

795
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:08,240
Dave do you want to go back in the

796
00:39:16,330 --> 00:39:14,690
forest with me and I said sure and she

797
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:16,340
goes you know we're probably going to

798
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:19,850
see something and I just knew I don't

799
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:21,890
know why but I just knew that something

800
00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:24,350
was gonna happen in the forest and I

801
00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:27,320
said sure what the hell but there were

802
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:30,620
four dogs with us too from the farm and

803
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:33,140
my two dogs that we used to be used to

804
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:34,790
bring over there to the farm to run

805
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,710
around and all the dogs were friends and

806
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:38,480
they would play and they'd have a good

807
00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:42,050
old time and Samantha then says I don't

808
00:39:45,610 --> 00:39:43,460
know if we're actually gonna see

809
00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:45,620
anything because from what I know et's

810
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:49,580
don't like dogs and I said well what the

811
00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:51,650
f let's just go in there and see what

812
00:39:57,220 --> 00:39:54,200
happens she goes okay so we're hoping

813
00:39:58,930 --> 00:39:57,230
the dogs won't go into the forest but

814
00:40:01,900 --> 00:39:58,940
when we start making our way down

815
00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:01,910
towards the the fence line to cross into

816
00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:04,580
the forest the dogs run in and all four

817
00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:07,670
dogs run into the forest so we watch

818
00:40:11,350 --> 00:40:09,350
them and we're watching the dogs all

819
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:11,360
around us we get about fifty yards in

820
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:14,810
Samantha stops us she goes Dave where

821
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,630
are the dogs all four dogs were gone

822
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:22,480
don't know where they went

823
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:25,490
so being stupid white people after

824
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:27,230
having four dogs just disappear we

825
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:29,060
decide we're gonna just continue on

826
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:31,310
because if you look at the horror movies

827
00:40:35,290 --> 00:40:32,570
it's always the white people who

828
00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:35,300
continue on and do something stupid so

829
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:38,750
so we continue on and we walk another 50

830
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:41,000
yards into the forest and we come to

831
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:42,950
this opening now for people who've been

832
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:45,140
in a big deep forest do you understand

833
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:45,950
what I'm saying

834
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:48,800
is from the canopy if you look above

835
00:40:53,590 --> 00:40:51,230
from Google Maps it does it looks very

836
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:53,600
very thick but you get underneath that

837
00:41:00,010 --> 00:40:57,110
camp canopy it's wide open and so

838
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:00,020
Samantha stops me and she goes and she's

839
00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:01,370
about eighteen inches away

840
00:41:05,380 --> 00:41:02,630
me and she goes Dave I want you to look

841
00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:05,390
at me right now and so I turn and I look

842
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:06,950
at her she goes I don't want you to be

843
00:41:11,590 --> 00:41:09,230
afraid I want you to look that way and

844
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:11,600
she points north and tell me what you

845
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:12,050
see

846
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:15,650
so I stopped I took a deep breath and I

847
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:19,040
turned and I looked to the north and for

848
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:20,780
the next five minutes I said Samantha

849
00:41:26,830 --> 00:41:24,170
what the f is that Samantha what the f

850
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:26,840
is that Samantha what the f is that oh

851
00:41:32,050 --> 00:41:29,230
my god Samantha what the f is that

852
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:32,060
because about 200 feet in front of me

853
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:33,850
there was a 10 to 12-foot

854
00:41:43,780 --> 00:41:41,470
what'd he look like I did not see the

855
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:43,790
arms I did not see the legs I saw the

856
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:47,240
body and I saw the head he was very thin

857
00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:52,220
he had a very round bulbous head and it

858
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:53,420
was just standing there

859
00:42:01,020 --> 00:41:57,170
it was a creamy colored white that

860
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:01,030
eventually morphed into a into a brown

861
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:03,950
almost like the color of a giraffe type

862
00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:07,910
Brown and I'm just staring sitting

863
00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:11,500
standing there staring at it samantha is

864
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:15,800
right there with me okay i Scott I've

865
00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:17,570
had many questions but I do want to ask

866
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:19,820
you this one and that is did it appear

867
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:21,650
as though he was wearing a suit of any

868
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:24,920
kind and okay okay I have more questions

869
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:28,880
and I was was he communicating with you

870
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:33,650
telepathically no okay and then my other

871
00:42:40,510 --> 00:42:37,570
question is did you instinctually feel

872
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:40,520
well what did you instinctually feel you

873
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:42,350
know viscerally when when he stared at

874
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:44,900
you did you feel fear love compassion

875
00:42:48,730 --> 00:42:48,170
what what kind of feelings struck you at

876
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:48,740
that moment

877
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:51,740
okay great questions let's get back to

878
00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:54,200
the telepathic question because I did

879
00:43:01,600 --> 00:42:56,900
not I did not hear anything

880
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:01,610
there was a second being there and I did

881
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:04,010
not see that second being Samantha did

882
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:06,260
that second being starts communicating

883
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:09,140
with Samantha telepathically that being

884
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:11,930
says to Samantha now you got to realize

885
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:15,050
my entire concept of extraterrestrials

886
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:18,770
Travis Waltons fire in the sky that's my

887
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:21,500
entire concept of of extraterrestrial

888
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:24,530
contact okay even though I had seen ET

889
00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:25,970
and Close Encounters of the Third Kind

890
00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:28,760
all I have in my mind is Travis Waltons

891
00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:31,400
fire in the sky and the movie version

892
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:35,120
not the real version and anyways this

893
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:37,610
being the second being that I did not

894
00:43:42,850 --> 00:43:40,130
see starts communicating with Samantha

895
00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:42,860
and says you are more than welcome to

896
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,900
come over to us and say hello we're not

897
00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:46,640
here to harm you we're not here to take

898
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:48,620
you we're here to introduce ourselves

899
00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:52,130
however we are very concerned about the

900
00:44:02,620 --> 00:43:56,420
man's health which man you mean you me

901
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:02,630
okay okay and and Samantha says to me do

902
00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:03,890
you want to go over there I said hell no

903
00:44:10,210 --> 00:44:06,620
no no I saw what happened to Travis

904
00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:10,220
Walton no no no not going over there she

905
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:11,870
goes well I'm going over there like

906
00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:14,870
please do not leave me please do not

907
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:17,470
leave me and I eventually my begging

908
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:21,050
caused her not to leave me and she stood

909
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:22,970
there and we're staring at these

910
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:25,430
creatures and and I'm only seeing the

911
00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:28,730
one now I want to preface this I was not

912
00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:31,190
to answer your second question I was not

913
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,990
afraid of what I was seeing what I was

914
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:38,720
afraid of was I am 40 years old at this

915
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:42,290
time going to be 41 in a month's time

916
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:47,110
and nobody in my life prepared me for

917
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:51,530
the unreal the unbelievable okay I was

918
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:54,050
brought up in a family where God is good

919
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:56,150
the devil is bad if you're good you go

920
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,770
up to heaven if you're bad you go down

921
00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:00,560
to hell but nobody ever prepared me for

922
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:02,420
what happens when you're face to face or

923
00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:03,950
two o'clock in the afternoon with an

924
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:07,400
extraterrestrial and that's what

925
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:10,010
happened so I was having this entire

926
00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:12,770
internal battle because my brain was not

927
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:14,840
comprehending what my eyes were saying

928
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:18,170
look at this boffo this is real this is

929
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:20,150
right in front of you and my brain

930
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:22,970
couldn't get it and thank God I had

931
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:25,730
Samantha there right and we were there

932
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:28,370
for about 20 minutes looking at these

933
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:29,490
damn thing

934
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:32,680
never once did I feel fear of them I

935
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:35,980
felt fear that I knew that the life I

936
00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:40,180
knew at that point was now over it was

937
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:44,200
gone you can't turn back when you see

938
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:46,810
something like that you can't go back to

939
00:45:52,109 --> 00:45:48,940
the way it was which was good I had a

940
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:52,119
nice happily boring life and you just

941
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:54,910
cannot go back and that's just what

942
00:46:00,570 --> 00:45:58,330
happened okay I have more questions and

943
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:00,580
that do you want me to ask him all at

944
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:04,030
once because I have quite a few one is

945
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:06,790
do you feel like your mind or your

946
00:46:12,660 --> 00:46:10,390
consciousness rather at that moment when

947
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:12,670
you were with in the presence of these

948
00:46:17,970 --> 00:46:15,010
creatures do you feel like it was being

949
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:17,980
expanded or closed a lot of either

950
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:19,270
reason I ask is because a lot of

951
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:22,420
experiencers contact DS and abductees

952
00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:24,940
have reported their mind either being

953
00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:27,790
shut down for something to happen and

954
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,460
then their missing time or that's being

955
00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:33,760
opened up to expand to increase their

956
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:37,150
knowledge base on something I would say

957
00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:40,990
they gave me what I could handle okay

958
00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:44,080
they gave us the choice because they

959
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:46,660
knew Samantha okay Samantha was very

960
00:46:55,830 --> 00:46:50,560
familiar with them all right and they

961
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:55,840
gave me the choice and this was and part

962
00:47:02,120 --> 00:46:57,900
of the argument I was having with myself

963
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:02,130
was that my my inclination was

964
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:05,290
extraterrestrials are bad bad bad we

965
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:08,170
don't need them okay get away there's

966
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:09,480
nothing good that can come from

967
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:10,740
extraterrestrials

968
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:13,980
because of what I saw in fire in the sky

969
00:47:20,490 --> 00:47:17,290
but here I'm being told and having this

970
00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:20,500
experience that is a complete 180 from

971
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:25,480
what I thought I knew and so they only

972
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:29,350
gave me what I could handle if I wanted

973
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:33,160
more which was meeting them they gave me

974
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:38,070
the choice they gave me that free will

975
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:41,890
I'm okay and I

976
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:43,540
I have kind of an odd question to ask

977
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:45,370
you although this is an odd topic but

978
00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:47,640
this is very strange question

979
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:50,200
you've mentioned Travis Walton a few

980
00:47:53,850 --> 00:47:52,300
times and you know I interviewed him one

981
00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:53,860
question I had wanted to ask him but I

982
00:48:00,960 --> 00:47:56,740
actually didn't have time was this and

983
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:00,970
I'll ask you and it stood and he in the

984
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:03,310
movie this I noticed this was brought up

985
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:06,820
in fire in the sky moving and that is

986
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:10,030
it's been reported that humans have

987
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:13,330
traveled with aliens that that people

988
00:48:18,690 --> 00:48:16,110
have actually seen them with

989
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:18,700
extraterrestrials and do you suspect

990
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:23,200
that extraterrestrials ever have human

991
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:25,720
companionship on these shifts when they

992
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:26,410
travel

993
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:29,170
oh goodness that's a deep question I

994
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:34,390
have been taken for five times that I

995
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:38,860
can recall okay and only once did I see

996
00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:46,450
other people on there only once and that

997
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,630
was that was an experience I don't

998
00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:51,520
recognize any of them I couldn't tell

999
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:52,900
you what they look like I knew there

1000
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:54,580
were people in front of me I knew there

1001
00:49:01,260 --> 00:48:58,480
are people behind me but only once could

1002
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:01,270
it be possible sure absolutely it could

1003
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:03,430
I mean you look at the amount of people

1004
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:08,170
that go missing okay there are rational

1005
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:09,790
explanations and then there are not I

1006
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:11,500
always like to have this quote from

1007
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:14,920
butch witkowski okay from UF or Capcom

1008
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:18,730
and I and I love it admire butch very

1009
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,130
very much and butch has a friend in the

1010
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:23,680
FBI who says who has given him

1011
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:25,690
statistics that in the United States

1012
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:29,260
approximately 1.3 million people go

1013
00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:33,460
missing on a daily basis okay or not on

1014
00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:34,840
a daily basis a part of me on a yearly

1015
00:49:43,230 --> 00:49:40,780
basis and out of those 1.3 million the

1016
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:43,240
FBI breaks it down okay who disappeared

1017
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:45,700
who committed suicide who just ran away

1018
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:48,880
who was murdered okay all of this who

1019
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:51,400
was kidnapped all of this kind of stuff

1020
00:49:55,780 --> 00:49:53,050
and when they Whittle it down

1021
00:50:00,490 --> 00:49:55,790
they cannot account for about 65

1022
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:00,500
thousand people a year well that that's

1023
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:02,330
possible because there's seven point

1024
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:04,310
seven billion people on the planet and

1025
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:07,340
and so but yeah and I'm glad you brought

1026
00:50:12,010 --> 00:50:09,710
all that up because it's completely

1027
00:50:14,110 --> 00:50:12,020
relevant but I should have prefaced my

1028
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:14,120
questions question with a little bit

1029
00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:16,180
more specifics and that that one

1030
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:18,590
specifically was this I should have said

1031
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:22,190
do you feel humans are working in tandem

1032
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:24,770
with these aliens like they were say for

1033
00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:31,960
example in firing this guy oh goodness

1034
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:37,640
that's a heavy question yes yes I do

1035
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:43,400
okay then the reason why I do is because

1036
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:45,590
there have been a number of people if

1037
00:50:50,590 --> 00:50:47,690
you listen to Mesa Johnson or Geraldine

1038
00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:50,600
Orosco or Melinda Leslie or Lorien

1039
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:52,520
Fenton they are very heavily involved

1040
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,720
with my lab type projects okay where

1041
00:51:02,350 --> 00:50:58,880
they have themselves a couple of them

1042
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:02,360
seen humans working alongside of aliens

1043
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:04,670
during a my lab experience mostly a

1044
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:08,450
reptilian type race now of course you

1045
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:10,190
know being skeptical we could say that's

1046
00:51:16,450 --> 00:51:13,760
a big figment of imagination or we can

1047
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:16,460
say this really happened and this is

1048
00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:19,310
this is currently happening which is why

1049
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:21,620
you know I mean and I'm sure we'll get

1050
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:23,150
into this a little bit later which is

1051
00:51:28,210 --> 00:51:25,730
why you know when we see all the UFO

1052
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:28,220
stuff happening today we can see why

1053
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:30,710
certain groups want to control any sort

1054
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:33,590
of narrative on how the the topic of

1055
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:37,160
UFOs gets out there there's a lot of

1056
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:41,990
talk about aliens are really humans from

1057
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:43,490
the future how do you feel about that

1058
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:46,970
that I'm not sure okay yeah and then I

1059
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:48,950
had a quote I wanted to bring up to you

1060
00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:51,320
and then ask how the quote might apply

1061
00:51:57,340 --> 00:51:54,920
to your life dr. Anna Freud the youngest

1062
00:52:00,600 --> 00:51:57,350
child of Sigmund Freud said this you

1063
00:52:03,490 --> 00:52:00,610
have to have a great love of the truth

1064
00:52:05,530 --> 00:52:03,500
scientific truth as well as personal

1065
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,540
truths and you have to place this

1066
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,760
appreciation of truth higher than any

1067
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:09,440
discomfort at meeting of

1068
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,900
Pleasant facts whether they belong to

1069
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:14,480
the outside world or to your own inner

1070
00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:17,690
person how do you feel that's the end of

1071
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:19,790
the quote Dave how do you feel about

1072
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:21,890
personal truth now after all the

1073
00:52:28,569 --> 00:52:26,329
experiences you've been through I would

1074
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:28,579
say that I don't need my own disclosure

1075
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:31,609
I've already had my own disclosure I

1076
00:52:38,170 --> 00:52:34,940
know this phenomena is real I know that

1077
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:38,180
there is things going on that I cannot

1078
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:41,089
explain which is why I have my a ton of

1079
00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:43,430
questions which I know they yam was the

1080
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:46,550
reason why spaced out radio was created

1081
00:52:52,089 --> 00:52:49,310
because I do I wasn't the only one out

1082
00:52:55,540 --> 00:52:52,099
there there had to be more and I had to

1083
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:55,550
learn all right I'm not a researcher I'm

1084
00:53:00,760 --> 00:52:58,640
not an investigator I'm a journalist the

1085
00:53:04,270 --> 00:53:00,770
only thing I know how to do is ask

1086
00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:04,280
questions so when I'm asking questions

1087
00:53:11,740 --> 00:53:08,900
in regards to this phenomena I knew that

1088
00:53:15,569 --> 00:53:11,750
I wasn't just asking questions for

1089
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:15,579
myself I was asking questions for

1090
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:18,200
everybody else out there who felt that

1091
00:53:25,059 --> 00:53:21,920
they didn't have a proper voice in what

1092
00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:25,069
was going on and was that a catalyst for

1093
00:53:28,780 --> 00:53:26,300
getting the show started

1094
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:28,790
huge huge catalyst I didn't I had no

1095
00:53:33,069 --> 00:53:30,920
intention of getting back into radio I

1096
00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:33,079
didn't want to get back into radio when

1097
00:53:41,410 --> 00:53:38,630
I left radio Frank I had on the table to

1098
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:41,420
become a a what they call a bird dog

1099
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:44,810
scout with an NHL team I walked away

1100
00:53:50,859 --> 00:53:47,510
from radio and I walked away from it a

1101
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:50,869
previous life that I didn't want

1102
00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:52,910
anything to do with I had a real sour

1103
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:54,040
taste in my mouth

1104
00:54:02,319 --> 00:53:59,680
okay so Johnny Enoch a gentleman who is

1105
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:02,329
this past year has become very popular

1106
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:04,130
in the field and if you haven't

1107
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,020
interviewed him yet I would suggest that

1108
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:08,720
you do I know that huh yeah

1109
00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:11,210
Johnny who is speaking today along with

1110
00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:16,660
Samantha UFO Megacon in Laughlin Nevada

1111
00:54:22,990 --> 00:54:20,750
he was the one who actually convinced me

1112
00:54:27,340 --> 00:54:23,000
to get back into radio

1113
00:54:30,460 --> 00:54:27,350
when I left Radio in 2007 I had no idea

1114
00:54:35,710 --> 00:54:30,470
that by 2014 that there was this entire

1115
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,720
online concept of online radio okay I

1116
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:38,480
had no idea that there was any of this

1117
00:54:45,010 --> 00:54:41,930
going on and my idea of radio was still

1118
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:45,020
old-school traditional radio where you

1119
00:54:49,150 --> 00:54:47,000
go to the radio dial and you start

1120
00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:49,160
checking for stations had I heard of

1121
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:51,070
coast to coast into art bell before

1122
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:54,530
absolutely art Bell was a hero all right

1123
00:55:01,140 --> 00:54:57,830
art Bell was a complete hero but I had

1124
00:55:04,810 --> 00:55:01,150
never heard of anything to do with

1125
00:55:07,870 --> 00:55:04,820
online radio or anything along those

1126
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:07,880
sorts and so when Johnny convinced me

1127
00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:09,590
he's like I'm like well what radio

1128
00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:11,660
station is gonna pick us up we just

1129
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:14,300
can't go into a radio station and say

1130
00:55:19,570 --> 00:55:16,340
hey we've got this concept put us on the

1131
00:55:21,250 --> 00:55:19,580
air for three hours a night you know

1132
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:21,260
we're like coast to coast am that's not

1133
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:22,400
how radio works

1134
00:55:26,260 --> 00:55:24,530
and he's like no dude we're gonna do it

1135
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:26,270
online and I'm like what the hell is all

1136
00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:28,510
this online stuff and that's where I

1137
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:32,150
first heard online radio was my own show

1138
00:55:39,580 --> 00:55:35,770
because I knew nothing about it nothing

1139
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:39,590
so that was the catalyst on getting the

1140
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,290
show going because Johnny convinced me

1141
00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:45,440
to do it number one and number two he

1142
00:55:51,790 --> 00:55:49,790
felt that there was that I can bring a

1143
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:51,800
new perspective a journalistic type

1144
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:54,050
perspective to this field that was

1145
00:56:01,810 --> 00:55:57,850
lacking and boy was he right on that it

1146
00:56:03,730 --> 00:56:01,820
I I have a few more questions I wanted

1147
00:56:05,860 --> 00:56:03,740
to ask on this topic and then I wanted

1148
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:05,870
to move on to another one and that is

1149
00:56:14,530 --> 00:56:09,140
Dave do you feel people who have had

1150
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:14,540
adult et related experiences may have

1151
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:17,360
been abducted as a child or been an

1152
00:56:26,590 --> 00:56:20,450
experiencer or contacting as a child oh

1153
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:26,600
goodness I have no idea on that one okay

1154
00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:32,240
I I think I think it's very plausible I

1155
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:36,920
think that it is very you know

1156
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:39,650
as a child we don't know as we grow

1157
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:42,890
older what is imagination and what and

1158
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:45,950
what is actually real I mean could I

1159
00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:48,650
have been taken as a kid a good friend

1160
00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:51,940
of mine psychic Derrick white sky cloud

1161
00:57:00,010 --> 00:56:57,260
believes that I was and it's funny

1162
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:00,020
because he said you were taken on it

1163
00:57:03,550 --> 00:57:01,730
while you were on vacation in

1164
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:03,560
Saskatchewan when you were seven eight

1165
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:06,380
years old well I just happened to be on

1166
00:57:16,090 --> 00:57:10,010
vacation in Saskatchewan when I was 7

1167
00:57:20,110 --> 00:57:16,100
years old so you know is it possible I

1168
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,120
would say sure yeah I asked also because

1169
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:21,920
something you're already aware of and

1170
00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:25,520
and Dad is there's been reports many

1171
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:27,230
around the world of generational

1172
00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:29,230
abduction where it just goes back

1173
00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:33,100
throughout entire line of family members

1174
00:57:39,610 --> 00:57:38,060
by many generations regarding possibly

1175
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:39,620
being an abductee and experienced here a

1176
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:42,460
contact eat the other question I had is

1177
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:45,370
regarding the topic of MIBs Beck's

1178
00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:48,560
cryptids and not for our listeners who

1179
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:50,120
are a little new to the topic of you

1180
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:51,950
apology I'll go and break that down for

1181
00:57:58,090 --> 00:57:55,210
you that's men in black black eyed kids

1182
00:58:01,300 --> 00:57:58,100
cryptids Dave how do you fill those

1183
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:01,310
three topics fit or more fit into the

1184
00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:03,110
topic of your follow G how do they tie

1185
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:07,100
into it do they tie oh yes oh I love I

1186
00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:09,470
love that question because I love those

1187
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:13,460
topics okay here's what I if you talked

1188
00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:16,130
to people like David Weatherly John

1189
00:58:22,690 --> 00:58:19,070
Teddy Nick Redfern three of the biggest

1190
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:22,700
names who kind of comb over the entire

1191
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:27,310
genre of if we use the word paranormal

1192
00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:31,220
as an umbrella term which really it

1193
00:58:36,580 --> 00:58:33,380
should be made as an umbrella term

1194
00:58:41,530 --> 00:58:36,590
rather than using the word paranormal

1195
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:41,540
just for ghosts okay there is a major

1196
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:45,740
major tie-in between everything there's

1197
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:48,500
this thin little thread that connects

1198
00:58:52,330 --> 00:58:50,570
everything and we have

1199
00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:52,340
not been able to figure out what it is

1200
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:54,590
the investigators who have been doing

1201
00:58:59,350 --> 00:58:57,200
this for years the credible

1202
00:59:03,400 --> 00:58:59,360
investigators will tell you that there

1203
00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:03,410
is something huge about that how it all

1204
00:59:10,810 --> 00:59:05,990
seems to tie in because for a lot of

1205
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:10,820
people they just don't have an alien

1206
00:59:16,660 --> 00:59:13,370
experience or a paranormal experience it

1207
00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:16,670
is a catalyst to something else going on

1208
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:19,070
and I do believe all of them are

1209
00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:21,110
connected now me personally I've never

1210
00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:23,360
had encounters with been in black or

1211
00:59:28,990 --> 00:59:25,400
black eyed kids I have had an encounter

1212
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:29,000
with two Bigfoot I've seen fairies I've

1213
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:31,910
seen what I like to call a wood nymph

1214
00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:35,930
I've seen shadow people all right

1215
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:39,020
I've seen quite a bit over the the over

1216
00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:42,230
the years are they all connected well my

1217
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:45,350
story if you buy my story which I'm not

1218
00:59:49,570 --> 00:59:47,510
gonna BS anybody but it's up to anybody

1219
00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:49,580
whether or not they want to believe in

1220
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:53,000
my personal story why did this all

1221
00:59:59,170 --> 00:59:56,690
connect why did this all happen that

1222
01:00:01,120 --> 00:59:59,180
shows me that there is some sort of link

1223
01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:01,130
and connection between it all now

1224
01:00:05,860 --> 01:00:03,350
talking with David Weatherly John and

1225
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:05,870
John Tenney specifically about it I

1226
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:10,730
absolutely feel that there is something

1227
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:13,490
to do with it there is something that

1228
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:17,330
goes on with both or with all of these

1229
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:21,050
genres it's just we as humans have a

1230
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:24,770
tough time in trying to understand or

1231
01:00:31,870 --> 01:00:27,710
formulate why it's all going on at the

1232
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:31,880
same time okay yeah thank you very much

1233
01:00:36,310 --> 01:00:34,490
for that comprehensive answer I happen

1234
01:00:39,550 --> 01:00:36,320
to love the topic of men and black and

1235
01:00:42,130 --> 01:00:39,560
black eyed kids I also love all the rest

1236
01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:42,140
of the topics you brought up the men in

1237
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:43,700
black and black I could seem to have a

1238
01:00:48,730 --> 01:00:45,170
lot in common although they are

1239
01:00:51,340 --> 01:00:48,740
distinctly different anyway I did have

1240
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:51,350
another question for you and that is why

1241
01:01:00,450 --> 01:00:55,010
do you think extraterrestrials contact

1242
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:00,460
some folks and not others oh goodness I

1243
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:03,410
think for a lot of people okay and now

1244
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:04,310
everybody who has

1245
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:07,810
as an ET story I'm not sure if I believe

1246
01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:11,690
them all okay I think there are a lot of

1247
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:15,830
people out there who want to say they've

1248
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:19,130
had an experience okay they want to say

1249
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:21,890
that they have had something they want

1250
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,650
that to be that conversation piece I

1251
01:01:29,740 --> 01:01:27,440
think that goes along with a lot of

1252
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:29,750
encounters but there are people out

1253
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:34,250
there who who are being told things like

1254
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:36,890
when I hear someone and this is one of

1255
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:38,690
the questions that I have and I'm not

1256
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:42,050
sure that that I really buy into it okay

1257
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:45,440
when you get somebody who say works at

1258
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:49,850
the local I don't know pick a place you

1259
01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:52,670
know the local hardware store or the

1260
01:01:59,380 --> 01:01:55,750
local doughnut shop or gas station or or

1261
01:02:04,090 --> 01:01:59,390
shopping mall when they say oh I've got

1262
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:04,100
these downloads from ETS I don't know if

1263
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:09,650
I buy that okay because I know with me I

1264
01:02:17,590 --> 01:02:13,850
can't sit there and say that I had or I

1265
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:17,600
have had downloads okay

1266
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:22,310
but I do know that I have had

1267
01:02:30,490 --> 01:02:27,050
experiences I do know that what happened

1268
01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:30,500
with my experiences led me to becoming a

1269
01:02:35,770 --> 01:02:34,070
voice in this field and thankfully we'd

1270
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:35,780
be over the last four and a half years

1271
01:02:40,660 --> 01:02:38,030
we've become a very popular voice in

1272
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:40,670
this field for a lot of people to listen

1273
01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:43,040
and we've gained a real good reputation

1274
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:46,430
over that but I don't understand it when

1275
01:02:55,540 --> 01:02:52,370
you get say somebody who is is a who's

1276
01:02:58,570 --> 01:02:55,550
never had an ET contact before in their

1277
01:03:02,530 --> 01:02:58,580
life and it let's say is a stay-at-home

1278
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:02,540
dad and all of a sudden they're getting

1279
01:03:10,270 --> 01:03:06,400
these mental images of you know

1280
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:10,280
languages and and and technology I don't

1281
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:12,530
understand why that would happen with

1282
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:16,160
those people right I don't understand at

1283
01:03:18,250 --> 01:03:16,610
all

1284
01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:18,260
you know why does

1285
01:03:25,050 --> 01:03:20,380
that happened to government officials

1286
01:03:31,530 --> 01:03:25,060
military officials people of power or

1287
01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:31,540
popularity you know where where they are

1288
01:03:37,540 --> 01:03:35,420
where they are of influence to get the

1289
01:03:39,970 --> 01:03:37,550
message out why is it happening to

1290
01:03:41,740 --> 01:03:39,980
people who have no way of getting that

1291
01:03:44,350 --> 01:03:41,750
message out besides looking like a

1292
01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:44,360
wingnut on social media we know we don't

1293
01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:45,950
know that that's not the case I've

1294
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:47,990
talked to a couple of people and we're

1295
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:51,710
of a couple others that that there might

1296
01:03:55,290 --> 01:03:52,880
be they're just keeping it on the

1297
01:03:59,290 --> 01:03:55,300
down-low you know what I mean

1298
01:04:02,350 --> 01:03:59,300
absolutely absolutely right like I know

1299
01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:02,360
people in Hollywood okay the the few

1300
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:05,230
people that I know who are famous all

1301
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,510
right they won't tell you that you know

1302
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:10,160
not to make this a political statement

1303
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:12,050
they won't tell you that they're

1304
01:04:16,570 --> 01:04:14,870
Republicans because if they living in

1305
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:16,580
the Hollywood area if they mentioned

1306
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:18,170
that they support the Republican cause

1307
01:04:23,470 --> 01:04:21,710
they know they're out of work right I

1308
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:23,480
mean that's just the way it is if you

1309
01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:25,700
know you got to wonder is it do you go

1310
01:04:30,190 --> 01:04:27,230
out with the message or do you go out

1311
01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:30,200
with with you know and and take away

1312
01:04:40,530 --> 01:04:35,150
their their lifeline right I mean that's

1313
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:40,540
what it comes down to I mean yes I had a

1314
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:43,760
interesting subject to bring up to you

1315
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:47,210
it's a topic that has polarized people

1316
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:50,930
in the domain of ufology and that is

1317
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:54,050
mentally ill people and so-called normal

1318
01:04:59,680 --> 01:04:57,650
people and what I mean by that is let's

1319
01:05:04,480 --> 01:04:59,690
just say you have an individual who has

1320
01:05:06,610 --> 01:05:04,490
had due to unfortunate circumstances

1321
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:06,620
maybe they were born with the with the

1322
01:05:11,260 --> 01:05:09,350
mental illness or they acquired it later

1323
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:11,270
you know like in life like say for

1324
01:05:18,580 --> 01:05:14,890
example PTSD from war or or trauma of

1325
01:05:21,850 --> 01:05:18,590
any kind and and this mentally ill

1326
01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:21,860
person as they're categorized by science

1327
01:05:28,510 --> 01:05:25,790
ends up having an experience with ETS

1328
01:05:30,610 --> 01:05:28,520
and then go ahead and take the normal

1329
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:30,620
person as they're categorized by science

1330
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:31,730
meaning they

1331
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:35,410
appear to have any mental mental

1332
01:05:39,490 --> 01:05:37,609
challenges in the sense of having like a

1333
01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:39,500
mental illness like say schizophrenia or

1334
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:42,470
PTSD you know fill in the blank and and

1335
01:05:47,290 --> 01:05:44,330
this normal person has an empty

1336
01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:47,300
experience why is it that the normal

1337
01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:50,150
person is given more credibility than

1338
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:52,550
the mentally ill person and the reason

1339
01:05:59,010 --> 01:05:55,690
why I ask that question is I'm not sure

1340
01:06:02,140 --> 01:05:59,020
that extraterrestrial civilizations

1341
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:02,150
necessarily care whether the person

1342
01:06:09,070 --> 01:06:05,240
they're going to abduct or contact has

1343
01:06:12,099 --> 01:06:09,080
any mental illnesses or not how do you

1344
01:06:13,630 --> 01:06:12,109
feel about that topic yeah I would say

1345
01:06:16,450 --> 01:06:13,640
you're very right about that

1346
01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:16,460
I think that whether they are have some

1347
01:06:20,980 --> 01:06:18,380
sort of mental disability or not we have

1348
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:20,990
to look at those stories I mean hey I

1349
01:06:25,420 --> 01:06:23,990
make no bones about it I I suffer from a

1350
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:25,430
mental illness I suffer from depression

1351
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:31,420
and anxiety I've said it met a very very

1352
01:06:38,530 --> 01:06:35,810
I say many times on my radio show

1353
01:06:39,790 --> 01:06:38,540
because you know I think the stigma of

1354
01:06:42,970 --> 01:06:39,800
it is something that needs to be

1355
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:42,980
discussed just to jump in Dave you know

1356
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:45,350
when you're talking about some folks who

1357
01:06:48,550 --> 01:06:46,910
are having a difficult time with the

1358
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:48,560
reality you might be talking about folks

1359
01:06:54,550 --> 01:06:52,930
who into a gen genuine psychosis where

1360
01:06:58,270 --> 01:06:54,560
hallucinations are part of the the

1361
01:07:00,250 --> 01:06:58,280
illness you know that gets into a tricky

1362
01:07:02,050 --> 01:07:00,260
area but it's certainly not depression

1363
01:07:03,460 --> 01:07:02,060
which i think is pretty common anxiety

1364
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:03,470
things like that yeah we're talking

1365
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,170
about an illness that's to the extent

1366
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,720
where a function might be difficult if

1367
01:07:12,910 --> 01:07:10,960
meds aren't taken properly a

1368
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:12,920
hallucinations auditory and visual

1369
01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:15,650
hallucinations are part of that illness

1370
01:07:19,930 --> 01:07:17,750
where that's not the case with you so

1371
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,940
now I think it may be chance talking

1372
01:07:23,859 --> 01:07:21,440
about some of those folks that are a

1373
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:23,869
little bit more challenged in terms of

1374
01:07:28,359 --> 01:07:25,970
getting along with their everyday life

1375
01:07:30,010 --> 01:07:28,369
yeah I would say it's very possible that

1376
01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:30,020
they're being taken I mean why not I

1377
01:07:37,090 --> 01:07:32,560
mean we take all sorts of animals as

1378
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,100
humans for study that's a good point you

1379
01:07:42,550 --> 01:07:39,200
know I've actually been I'm gonna do a

1380
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:42,560
show on this later I actually don't know

1381
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:44,730
how Frank feels about this but if I

1382
01:07:50,060 --> 01:07:46,650
have to do the show alone I will the

1383
01:07:51,290 --> 01:07:50,070
show I'm going to do by the way I'm just

1384
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:51,300
letting you know Frank I'm gonna do this

1385
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:55,440
good luck good luck as much fun as it

1386
01:07:59,440 --> 01:07:56,760
looks right

1387
01:08:03,680 --> 01:07:59,450
I've actually been interviewing hunters

1388
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:03,690
who have grown up and they were not

1389
01:08:09,290 --> 01:08:06,090
hunting for sport this is a different

1390
01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:09,300
type of hunter Dave you know kind of

1391
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:10,980
hunter I'm talking about so do you Frank

1392
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:13,650
and I know our listeners do too it's the

1393
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:16,980
kind of hunter where they grew up in an

1394
01:08:22,249 --> 01:08:18,870
economic setting where there really was

1395
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:22,259
no economy and they had to hunt in order

1396
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:24,839
to eat and the reason why I'm

1397
01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:27,870
interviewing them is because I'm asking

1398
01:08:34,340 --> 01:08:30,380
them questions like if you saw an 80

1399
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:34,350
what would you do they never ever say

1400
01:08:41,210 --> 01:08:38,250
they would grab their weapon every time

1401
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:41,220
I've asked every single one of them have

1402
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:43,980
told me something to the effect if there

1403
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,410
are millions of years ahead in their

1404
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:48,480
technology if they have the wherewithal

1405
01:08:54,110 --> 01:08:50,970
the ability to get here in an

1406
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,120
interstellar fashion why should I even

1407
01:09:00,920 --> 01:08:56,640
worry about a weapon you know what they

1408
01:09:03,380 --> 01:09:00,930
said they would do communicate yes I

1409
01:09:05,210 --> 01:09:03,390
wanted to ask you Dave how do you feel

1410
01:09:09,499 --> 01:09:05,220
about those folks who would pick up a

1411
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:09,509
weapon if they saw an 18 I always laugh

1412
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:11,819
and that's a great question I always

1413
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:14,970
laugh because one of the questions I ask

1414
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,819
every so often on my show to people who

1415
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:20,400
have never experienced anything is how

1416
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:23,819
are you going to react if you have an et

1417
01:09:27,559 --> 01:09:25,739
in front of you if you have a Bigfoot in

1418
01:09:29,539 --> 01:09:27,569
front of you if you have a dog man in

1419
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:29,549
front of you how are you going to react

1420
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,670
because so many people out there say

1421
01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:34,560
will say to me Dave

1422
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,540
you had your cell phone on you why

1423
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:38,819
didn't you take a picture of it why

1424
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:40,410
didn't you take a picture I would have

1425
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:42,089
took it taking a picture when you saw

1426
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:43,620
those Bigfoot I would and when they

1427
01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:45,330
started walking away I would have chased

1428
01:09:51,460 --> 01:09:49,319
them down no you wouldn't have no you

1429
01:09:54,620 --> 01:09:51,470
wouldn't have because you're not

1430
01:09:58,130 --> 01:09:54,630
comprehending what your brain is seeing

1431
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:58,140
you're not comprehending what is going

1432
01:10:00,920 --> 01:09:58,770
on

1433
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:00,930
your mind cannot comprehend what it

1434
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:03,090
doesn't know or what it sees something

1435
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:05,730
that is not supposed to exist so I

1436
01:10:10,220 --> 01:10:08,250
actually get a good laugh oh you know if

1437
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:10,230
I if I can't if I was out hunting and I

1438
01:10:14,690 --> 01:10:12,330
and I had my rifle on me and I came

1439
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:14,700
across a a Bigfoot I'd pull the trigger

1440
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:16,170
on it because I'd be an instant

1441
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:18,840
millionaire no you wouldn't because

1442
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:21,600
number one you wouldn't believe what

1443
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:23,310
you're seeing and number two the

1444
01:10:28,430 --> 01:10:25,080
creature would be gone before you even

1445
01:10:31,190 --> 01:10:28,440
got your eyes focused through the

1446
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,200
through the scope on your rifle so I

1447
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:33,840
love how people talk tough about how

1448
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:36,239
they would react it makes me laugh if

1449
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:38,520
ever I need a giggle I will I will do

1450
01:10:44,290 --> 01:10:41,070
that and say you know how would you

1451
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:44,300
react I think it's a it's great because

1452
01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:47,610
if I were in the forest again

1453
01:10:53,780 --> 01:10:51,030
and I have a Bigfoot gifting site in the

1454
01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:53,790
forest here and before the forest fires

1455
01:11:01,580 --> 01:10:57,780
last year around here we were getting a

1456
01:11:05,150 --> 01:11:01,590
little bit of communication and not much

1457
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:05,160
not much but the odd time we'd get some

1458
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:09,530
strangeness and there is no bloody way

1459
01:11:14,959 --> 01:11:12,690
that I would ever raise a gun to a

1460
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:14,969
Bigfoot or anything like that

1461
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:18,600
I really wouldn't I'd be afraid of the

1462
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:22,770
consequences because I think that it

1463
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:25,380
could turn out very very bad but for the

1464
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:28,800
most part I think people just love to

1465
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:32,070
talk tough on how they would do it how

1466
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:34,380
they perceive it would go when in

1467
01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:37,620
reality they have no idea because they

1468
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:44,479
the topic of metamaterials has been

1469
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:47,070
brought up repeatedly I think last year

1470
01:11:52,940 --> 01:11:50,030
we'll Dave you know about that topic

1471
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:52,950
because you cover it and a lot of people

1472
01:12:02,260 --> 01:11:55,380
are getting sick of hearing about it I

1473
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:02,270
bring it up often myself okay

1474
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:07,140
chant yes okay you know you're still

1475
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:09,120
here chant go ahead yep I'm right here

1476
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,770
can you hear me yeah I can hear you yeah

1477
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:12,080
okay great yeah

1478
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:14,650
had a question about the topic of

1479
01:12:21,090 --> 01:12:17,300
metamaterials a lot of people are sick

1480
01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:21,100
of hearing about that topic metals or

1481
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:27,320
exotic alloys or exotic materials Dave

1482
01:12:32,530 --> 01:12:29,090
you know about that topic because you

1483
01:12:34,570 --> 01:12:32,540
could Rick we wanted to know is whether

1484
01:12:36,250 --> 01:12:34,580
you're sick of the topic or not I know

1485
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:36,260
you feel it's relevant to your degree I

1486
01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:39,440
know you do but how do you feel about

1487
01:12:44,650 --> 01:12:41,750
the topic of meta materials or materials

1488
01:12:47,620 --> 01:12:44,660
that have extraordinary properties in

1489
01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:47,630
connection to the topic of ufology or

1490
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:50,990
any other topic science or more I think

1491
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,730
we need to figure out what is going on

1492
01:13:00,220 --> 01:12:55,360
but I think we also already have them

1493
01:13:02,770 --> 01:13:00,230
good point all right I mean look if you

1494
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:02,780
buy into what is being hidden at area 51

1495
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:05,890
whether it's David the dare Bob Lazar

1496
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,850
alright whomever it is you have to look

1497
01:13:17,230 --> 01:13:13,520
at the idea that there is something

1498
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:17,240
going on all right there is something

1499
01:13:23,650 --> 01:13:19,850
going on and I think what they are

1500
01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:23,660
trying to do in my opinion and this is

1501
01:13:28,330 --> 01:13:25,070
where I'm gonna put a little bit of tin

1502
01:13:30,940 --> 01:13:28,340
foil on on my head here I think what

1503
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,950
they want to do is they want to whoever

1504
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:32,480
it is whether it's the to the Stars

1505
01:13:37,230 --> 01:13:34,610
Academy the government or whomever I

1506
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:37,240
think they would like to get a list of

1507
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:40,400
people who actually have some sort of

1508
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:42,770
material let's see who is out there who

1509
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:46,700
has it and not only that not only that

1510
01:13:51,730 --> 01:13:49,910
but they're able to grab that material

1511
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:51,740
for their own usage whether they take

1512
01:13:56,410 --> 01:13:54,530
off a little bit you know for DNA type

1513
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:56,420
purposes or whether they take the whole

1514
01:14:00,010 --> 01:13:57,890
thing because someone's gonna say hey

1515
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:00,020
yeah take it let me all I want to know

1516
01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:03,920
is what it is you know and this exists

1517
01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:06,230
those lists are out there absolutely if

1518
01:14:14,140 --> 01:14:09,830
you wanna you want to dig past the you

1519
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:14,150
know they're relatively uninformed back

1520
01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:16,010
and forth about this those lists are out

1521
01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:18,620
there this stuff has been worked on at

1522
01:14:21,450 --> 01:14:20,180
least one paper that I'm aware of has

1523
01:14:23,609 --> 01:14:21,460
been written about

1524
01:14:25,589 --> 01:14:23,619
there are a couple teams TTA is getting

1525
01:14:28,530 --> 01:14:25,599
a lot of attention about it but there's

1526
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:28,540
another partnership between professor

1527
01:14:34,589 --> 01:14:31,690
Gary Nolan and Jacques Foley they're

1528
01:14:36,419 --> 01:14:34,599
working on it so it's out there it's a

1529
01:14:38,490 --> 01:14:36,429
thing it's a definite thing you've got a

1530
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:38,500
number of scientists including the two

1531
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:41,260
guys I mentioned plus Peter steric

1532
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:43,449
professor of physics from Stanford going

1533
01:14:47,819 --> 01:14:45,310
back aways what he was working on it and

1534
01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:47,829
also how put office talked about some of

1535
01:14:53,490 --> 01:14:50,860
the material the T TSA has there on the

1536
01:14:55,979 --> 01:14:53,500
record they're saying this is unusual we

1537
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:55,989
can't figure this stuff out or where it

1538
01:15:02,069 --> 01:14:59,199
was manufactured so it's a thing it's a

1539
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:02,079
fairly condensed thing it's a limited

1540
01:15:06,959 --> 01:15:04,750
thing but there is enough detail about

1541
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:06,969
it the problem is it gets talked about a

1542
01:15:10,589 --> 01:15:08,530
little bit here it gets talked about a

1543
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,599
little bit there and without going into

1544
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:13,840
the full context and that results in

1545
01:15:20,129 --> 01:15:16,690
some of the confusion and some of the

1546
01:15:21,780 --> 01:15:20,139
frustration I think oh I totally agree

1547
01:15:23,609 --> 01:15:21,790
with you there Frank I totally agree

1548
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:23,619
with you in regards to metamaterials I

1549
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:25,239
mean they want to get their hands on it

1550
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:27,460
all let's face it the government is

1551
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:30,489
greedy whether it's our taxes whether

1552
01:15:34,379 --> 01:15:32,710
it's something that they want that they

1553
01:15:36,419 --> 01:15:34,389
are not wanting to talk about the

1554
01:15:37,979 --> 01:15:36,429
government is greedy I think we can all

1555
01:15:41,459 --> 01:15:37,989
agree on that

1556
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:41,469
and and with that being said with that

1557
01:15:47,879 --> 01:15:44,320
being said why not have collect that

1558
01:15:50,189 --> 01:15:47,889
list of people who have these items

1559
01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:50,199
because now you know where this contact

1560
01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:52,150
is being happened so you give a nice

1561
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:54,280
soft interview oh how did you get ahold

1562
01:15:58,319 --> 01:15:56,500
of this and have you been in et contact

1563
01:16:00,180 --> 01:15:58,329
for long and people will tell you

1564
01:16:01,919 --> 01:16:00,190
because they're excited to talk to you

1565
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:01,929
about it and that somebody is talking to

1566
01:16:08,609 --> 01:16:04,449
them without treating them like they are

1567
01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:08,619
an anomaly or sick in the head so I can

1568
01:16:13,109 --> 01:16:11,020
totally see why they would want to

1569
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:13,119
collect this for their own data it makes

1570
01:16:19,109 --> 01:16:16,630
sense you know is it a big deal to what

1571
01:16:22,530 --> 01:16:19,119
we are doing and ufology on a personal

1572
01:16:27,569 --> 01:16:22,540
level no I don't think so I really don't

1573
01:16:29,399 --> 01:16:27,579
I do believe though that it is a it is

1574
01:16:33,149 --> 01:16:29,409
something that they want for their own

1575
01:16:34,859 --> 01:16:33,159
collection and why wouldn't they but in

1576
01:16:36,629 --> 01:16:34,869
the grand scheme of

1577
01:16:40,979 --> 01:16:36,639
trying to figure out what is happening

1578
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:40,989
with people okay and why people are

1579
01:16:47,310 --> 01:16:44,710
going through this does it make a

1580
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:47,320
difference I don't think it does they

1581
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:49,330
just want the materials they want to be

1582
01:16:55,890 --> 01:16:52,690
able to study the science of it all yeah

1583
01:16:58,859 --> 01:16:55,900
it could but let me use this as an

1584
01:17:01,320 --> 01:16:58,869
analogy everybody was sort of into the

1585
01:17:04,109 --> 01:17:01,330
race to the moon moon landing a very big

1586
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:04,119
deal space race at the space program

1587
01:17:07,050 --> 01:17:04,960
okay

1588
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:07,060
they were looking at it in a context of

1589
01:17:11,070 --> 01:17:08,800
let's get to the moon this is very

1590
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:11,080
exciting this is a huge achievement but

1591
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:13,810
the process of getting to the moon led

1592
01:17:18,780 --> 01:17:16,480
to a lot of technological advances that

1593
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:18,790
we're enjoying the benefits of to this

1594
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:21,610
very day even though none of us who may

1595
01:17:27,689 --> 01:17:23,920
have been thinking about it during the

1596
01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:27,699
space race itself so I think it it could

1597
01:17:33,209 --> 01:17:30,760
I mean it could very well have a really

1598
01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:33,219
positive impact on humanity in ways a

1599
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:35,860
lot of that as the casual UFO buff may

1600
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:38,110
not be thinking about right now but the

1601
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:40,030
scientists who are doing some work on

1602
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:42,310
this stuff they're thinking about it and

1603
01:17:46,260 --> 01:17:43,630
they're thinking about getting published

1604
01:17:48,510 --> 01:17:46,270
which is another reason for some of the

1605
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:48,520
lack of transparency they're also

1606
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:51,310
thinking about patents as well so that's

1607
01:17:56,399 --> 01:17:54,159
an another layer that we have to kind of

1608
01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:56,409
fight through but I think there's enough

1609
01:18:01,290 --> 01:17:58,690
information to go on to have an idea of

1610
01:18:03,689 --> 01:18:01,300
who's holding what and there's also

1611
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:03,699
enough of an idea of what they find

1612
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,489
curious about this these various

1613
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:08,560
fragments that are in various hands and

1614
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:11,110
right now it's kind of like just the

1615
01:18:14,669 --> 01:18:12,730
proof is in the pudding we got to kind

1616
01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:14,679
of wait but I think we've got about as

1617
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:17,980
much as we're gonna have in terms of

1618
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:20,320
again who's holding what and what about

1619
01:18:23,609 --> 01:18:22,449
these particular fragments are curious I

1620
01:18:26,370 --> 01:18:23,619
think that's about where we're at now

1621
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:26,380
and maybe with this show coming out the

1622
01:18:31,169 --> 01:18:29,199
the tts a show is going to be on the

1623
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,179
History Channel starting in May

1624
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:33,520
apparently and hopefully we'll find out

1625
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:35,260
more then hopefully we get a little bit

1626
01:18:39,629 --> 01:18:37,030
more that but we're not gonna get all of

1627
01:18:41,339 --> 01:18:39,639
it because green and NOLA excuse me yeah

1628
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:41,349
I'm sorry not green anole on that

1629
01:18:46,670 --> 01:18:43,810
valayan Nolan they're working on their

1630
01:18:49,940 --> 01:18:46,680
own little project separately and

1631
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:49,950
there I think that's more of a straight

1632
01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:51,780
scientific yeah let's get published

1633
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,450
let's you know maybe look to see what we

1634
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,600
can and out of this type of effort so

1635
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:00,000
we're gonna find out more I hope but

1636
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:01,170
we're not gonna find out everything

1637
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,850
we're still gonna have to kind of dig

1638
01:19:07,700 --> 01:19:05,040
around the margins to get to the bottom

1639
01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:07,710
of all this and see where it's going uh

1640
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:11,070
Dave I I just did a pre interview of a

1641
01:19:18,860 --> 01:19:15,530
scientist who said that he worked for a

1642
01:19:21,260 --> 01:19:18,870
certain organization for four months

1643
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:21,270
before Bigelow shut down that the

1644
01:19:26,540 --> 01:19:24,450
Institute he was involved with and he

1645
01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:26,550
feels many of the people in TTS a

1646
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:28,500
according to him or actors is how he

1647
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:31,770
referenced them but anyway he went on to

1648
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:33,540
say after I asked and do you feel that

1649
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:37,170
TTS a should provide some kind of

1650
01:19:42,490 --> 01:19:40,650
scientific analysis reports for some of

1651
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:42,500
the claims are making regarding

1652
01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:44,850
scientific data that they feel they have

1653
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:47,910
I asked him that question he said if any

1654
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:50,520
scientist or group of scientists or

1655
01:19:55,010 --> 01:19:52,890
organization makes public their findings

1656
01:19:57,500 --> 01:19:55,020
ethically and scientifically they should

1657
01:19:59,900 --> 01:19:57,510
provide evidence for their claims

1658
01:20:02,180 --> 01:19:59,910
meaning int and and at the same time

1659
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,190
that they make their claim how do you

1660
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:04,800
feel about that if an organization or a

1661
01:20:10,940 --> 01:20:08,520
scientist says hey I made this

1662
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:10,950
incredible discovery but they don't

1663
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:13,860
publish anything what are your thoughts

1664
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:16,440
on that well I think in general they're

1665
01:20:23,210 --> 01:20:20,970
going to have to okay and look I know I

1666
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:23,220
have taken a lot of heat if we're gonna

1667
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:25,290
get into the TTS a discussion I want to

1668
01:20:30,230 --> 01:20:27,450
I want to get into this first I have

1669
01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:30,240
personally taken a lot of heat from

1670
01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:35,100
people over the last year because I have

1671
01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:38,100
told my audience and listeners you know

1672
01:20:42,740 --> 01:20:40,710
take your time and let's study this a

1673
01:20:46,220 --> 01:20:42,750
little bit let's see what their the

1674
01:20:49,670 --> 01:20:46,230
motivation is behind what they are doing

1675
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:49,680
is it for the benefit of the experiencer

1676
01:20:54,740 --> 01:20:52,980
is it the benefit for themselves there's

1677
01:20:58,130 --> 01:20:54,750
a lot of questions that need to be

1678
01:21:00,700 --> 01:20:58,140
answered now one of my fort one of my

1679
01:21:03,670 --> 01:21:00,710
teammates with spaced out radio

1680
01:21:08,770 --> 01:21:03,680
is the former director of research for

1681
01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:08,780
MUFON scientist dr. Chris Cogswell okay

1682
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:13,070
Chris in my opinion is lit I believe

1683
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:15,290
going to be the next Stanton Friedman in

1684
01:21:20,620 --> 01:21:18,290
this entire field he's got his doctorate

1685
01:21:21,130 --> 01:21:20,630
in chemical engineering I believe yes he

1686
01:21:27,070 --> 01:21:21,140
does

1687
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:27,080
absolutely brilliant when it comes down

1688
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:30,650
to this and he has a great great feel

1689
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:34,489
for this field he just wants the same

1690
01:21:40,330 --> 01:21:37,520
answers and so when I have a scientific

1691
01:21:42,370 --> 01:21:40,340
question I didn't go to somebody who's

1692
01:21:45,190 --> 01:21:42,380
much smarter than me because dude I love

1693
01:21:47,050 --> 01:21:45,200
the whoo okay I love the whoo more than

1694
01:21:48,910 --> 01:21:47,060
anything that that's what means a lot to

1695
01:21:50,979 --> 01:21:48,920
me is getting some of these whoo type

1696
01:21:53,290 --> 01:21:50,989
stories out there and the and the more

1697
01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:53,300
weird the better that's what I enjoy but

1698
01:21:58,959 --> 01:21:55,820
I'm a storyteller that's that's my job

1699
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:58,969
with the radio show when it comes to the

1700
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:01,520
sciences behind it I leave that to

1701
01:22:04,780 --> 01:22:03,290
people who are much more in the note

1702
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:04,790
because if you go back to high school

1703
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:07,130
and see my scientific grades you'd be

1704
01:22:11,979 --> 01:22:09,290
laughing at me right now that we could

1705
01:22:16,570 --> 01:22:11,989
even be having this conversation but I

1706
01:22:19,330 --> 01:22:16,580
what I believe is is the fact that there

1707
01:22:22,630 --> 01:22:19,340
it we do need to know would there has to

1708
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:22,640
be some sort of peer review as to what

1709
01:22:31,870 --> 01:22:27,290
is going on the big question is is the

1710
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:31,880
to the Stars Academy going to respect

1711
01:22:39,010 --> 01:22:35,090
the scientific community the same way

1712
01:22:42,010 --> 01:22:39,020
that they have disrespected the UFO

1713
01:22:44,050 --> 01:22:42,020
community and those involved are they

1714
01:22:46,900 --> 01:22:44,060
going to hoard the answers for

1715
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:46,910
themselves or are they actually going to

1716
01:22:53,050 --> 01:22:50,239
share the findings that was originally

1717
01:22:55,060 --> 01:22:53,060
discussed in their press conference when

1718
01:22:58,450 --> 01:22:55,070
they were Anette when they announced the

1719
01:23:01,780 --> 01:22:58,460
to the Stars Academy and for those who

1720
01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:01,790
do not know a press conference that had

1721
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:06,350
no media members there yeah that was

1722
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:11,350
back in October of 2017 October 11th

1723
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:13,910
2017 a couple months before the New York

1724
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:14,239
time

1725
01:23:20,049 --> 01:23:16,880
story broke yeah yeah I you know

1726
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:20,059
obviously I like Chris and you know if

1727
01:23:23,919 --> 01:23:22,249
he asked him a straight science question

1728
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:23,929
he's a good source to get a good answer

1729
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:26,719
from no doubt about that

1730
01:23:32,169 --> 01:23:30,650
I'm not sure I agree that there they're

1731
01:23:34,060 --> 01:23:32,179
sort of hoarding this information

1732
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:34,070
they've been slow with it for sure

1733
01:23:39,609 --> 01:23:37,130
but the way I see this rolling out is

1734
01:23:41,290 --> 01:23:39,619
basically yeah they've they're putting

1735
01:23:45,370 --> 01:23:41,300
the other an organisation they need to

1736
01:23:47,859 --> 01:23:45,380
generate cash flow so step one is having

1737
01:23:51,580 --> 01:23:47,869
that that rollout where they say

1738
01:23:53,919 --> 01:23:51,590
contribute you can own stock in our in

1739
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:53,929
our corporation here this public benefit

1740
01:23:58,899 --> 01:23:56,090
corporation a nonprofit that they're

1741
01:24:01,299 --> 01:23:58,909
having they generate enough money to

1742
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,309
keep going a little bit more they've got

1743
01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:03,199
their cash flow just like everybody who

1744
01:24:07,239 --> 01:24:05,480
runs their own life asked the generate

1745
01:24:09,370 --> 01:24:07,249
cash flow to keep things going it's got

1746
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:09,380
to come from somewhere so they get that

1747
01:24:14,290 --> 01:24:12,110
done then what they do is they get the

1748
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,300
media blitz in December and that kind of

1749
01:24:21,759 --> 01:24:16,880
runs a little bit through maybe March

1750
01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:21,769
with melons Washington Post editorial so

1751
01:24:27,549 --> 01:24:23,480
they get that going guys they get that

1752
01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:27,559
some TV FaceTime but that what they do

1753
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:30,110
basically is they get together enough to

1754
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:33,050
put together a pitch reel okay and I

1755
01:24:36,879 --> 01:24:34,249
think you know what I'm talking about

1756
01:24:38,859 --> 01:24:36,889
that yeah basically no they can go to

1757
01:24:41,379 --> 01:24:38,869
these different media companies try to

1758
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:41,389
sell programming and electoral property

1759
01:24:45,339 --> 01:24:43,610
whatever the case may be and you got to

1760
01:24:47,259 --> 01:24:45,349
admit Dave they put together they if

1761
01:24:50,020 --> 01:24:47,269
they took the material that was

1762
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:50,030
generated in the mainstream media on a

1763
01:24:53,859 --> 01:24:52,369
high level mainstream media to put that

1764
01:24:56,049 --> 01:24:53,869
into a pitch reel that's a pretty damn

1765
01:24:58,540 --> 01:24:56,059
good pitch reel so then they get their

1766
01:25:00,189 --> 01:24:58,550
TV deal done okay that's generating more

1767
01:25:03,790 --> 01:25:00,199
cash flow they need pre-production

1768
01:25:07,390 --> 01:25:03,800
getting it from the A&E Network and now

1769
01:25:10,810 --> 01:25:07,400
may comes and the show is going to go on

1770
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:10,820
the air and that's how I would do it if

1771
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:13,489
I wanted to tell my story I would tell

1772
01:25:17,709 --> 01:25:16,010
it in a venue that I had control over

1773
01:25:21,310 --> 01:25:17,719
through a platform I had control over

1774
01:25:24,459 --> 01:25:21,320
like this show like or over on my

1775
01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:24,469
website you know something that I didn't

1776
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:26,360
have to go through the filter of the New

1777
01:25:30,340 --> 01:25:28,010
York Times where they could ask me

1778
01:25:31,570 --> 01:25:30,350
they decide well that that answer wasn't

1779
01:25:33,370 --> 01:25:31,580
all that interesting I'm not even gonna

1780
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:33,380
bother including that where I might

1781
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,360
think that answer is essential I want to

1782
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:37,520
include that so all of a sudden now

1783
01:25:42,940 --> 01:25:39,590
they've got this venue this platform

1784
01:25:45,190 --> 01:25:42,950
where they've got time it's not like

1785
01:25:48,610 --> 01:25:45,200
five minutes segments where they go on

1786
01:25:50,170 --> 01:25:48,620
Tucker Carlson and yeah gee really UFOs

1787
01:25:53,710 --> 01:25:50,180
really exist you know like no [\h__\h]

1788
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:53,720
Sherlock they do yeah you know they can

1789
01:25:58,480 --> 01:25:56,210
do their thing their way if that's the

1790
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,490
plan it looks like it to me that's not a

1791
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:01,120
bad plan I think that's an okay plan

1792
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:04,310
well you know what though it all depends

1793
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:06,770
what the plan is though it all depends

1794
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:08,480
what the plan is and they haven't been

1795
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:10,730
very forthright with the plan and this

1796
01:26:15,340 --> 01:26:13,520
David Dave what Dave what you do is you

1797
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:15,350
look at what they're doing and you see

1798
01:26:19,900 --> 01:26:18,170
these steps that sort of make sense you

1799
01:26:21,670 --> 01:26:19,910
know maybe a few of them didn't at the

1800
01:26:24,460 --> 01:26:21,680
time and it built up some frustration

1801
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:24,470
but now that they might be at the payoff

1802
01:26:29,770 --> 01:26:27,530
point in may with their own programming

1803
01:26:32,230 --> 01:26:29,780
you know apparently I don't know if it's

1804
01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:32,240
six one-hour shows maybe six two hours

1805
01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:35,510
they've got six hours maybe more to get

1806
01:26:42,460 --> 01:26:38,140
their story across make their

1807
01:26:46,030 --> 01:26:42,470
presentation where the content of that

1808
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:46,040
presentation might be pretty good well I

1809
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,810
mean it could very well be I mean they

1810
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,000
are wanting to bring this to the media

1811
01:26:54,430 --> 01:26:53,120
forefront I mean this you and I are

1812
01:26:57,730 --> 01:26:54,440
going to agree to disagree

1813
01:27:01,810 --> 01:26:57,740
in regards to in regards to this because

1814
01:27:05,290 --> 01:27:01,820
I have been very very public in regards

1815
01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:05,300
to the media narrative that the t TSA

1816
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:08,360
has been going on and I realize there's

1817
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:10,250
there is a bunch of people out there who

1818
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:11,600
will agree with me and there's a bunch

1819
01:27:14,890 --> 01:27:13,850
of people out there who disagree with me

1820
01:27:16,660 --> 01:27:14,900
okay

1821
01:27:19,810 --> 01:27:16,670
I don't think for a second that they

1822
01:27:21,460 --> 01:27:19,820
have been very very open with what they

1823
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:21,470
are doing they've giving us giving us

1824
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:24,770
tidbits great tidbits okay David flavor

1825
01:27:29,980 --> 01:27:27,650
and the entire video there was fantastic

1826
01:27:31,390 --> 01:27:29,990
the other the other video footage that

1827
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:31,400
they have provided that they've been

1828
01:27:37,810 --> 01:27:34,010
able to get out of the Pentagon has been

1829
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:37,820
fantastic okay they have brought and I

1830
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:39,170
would give credit where credit is due

1831
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:41,510
they have brought the

1832
01:27:47,860 --> 01:27:43,970
field of ufology two levels that have

1833
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,870
not been heard of since Roswell since

1834
01:27:53,530 --> 01:27:49,520
Roswell okay

1835
01:27:56,770 --> 01:27:53,540
they have single-handedly stopped many

1836
01:27:59,710 --> 01:27:56,780
media outlets from playing the x-files

1837
01:28:02,710 --> 01:27:59,720
theme song or Twilight Zone or close

1838
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:02,720
encounters and then making fun of our

1839
01:28:07,150 --> 01:28:05,690
stories they have done a lot of good I'm

1840
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:07,160
gonna give credit where credit is due

1841
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:09,710
and they have a huge catalyst in the

1842
01:28:14,620 --> 01:28:11,770
field are the biggest catalysts really

1843
01:28:17,370 --> 01:28:14,630
that I've seen since I've been actively

1844
01:28:21,090 --> 01:28:17,380
involved about us absolutely they have

1845
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:21,100
absolutely but with that comes questions

1846
01:28:28,930 --> 01:28:24,290
they have to be able to answer questions

1847
01:28:33,190 --> 01:28:28,940
and the way they have dodged and treated

1848
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:33,200
the majority of the UFO community people

1849
01:28:39,070 --> 01:28:35,570
need are just wanting to answer ask one

1850
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:39,080
question why why are you ignoring this

1851
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:41,330
why is there nobody who's been a

1852
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:45,170
ufologist for the last 20 30 40 years on

1853
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:46,370
your team

1854
01:28:51,610 --> 01:28:48,890
why do the majority of your members of

1855
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:51,620
your team have all ties to Robert

1856
01:28:57,100 --> 01:28:54,370
Bigelow in one way or another

1857
01:28:58,810 --> 01:28:57,110
okay these are questions that they are

1858
01:29:01,570 --> 01:28:58,820
dodging these are questions that they

1859
01:29:04,420 --> 01:29:01,580
know Frank they are not going to get

1860
01:29:06,910 --> 01:29:04,430
from the mainstream media because you're

1861
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:06,920
dealing with some extremely smart people

1862
01:29:13,570 --> 01:29:10,310
who know that for the most part the

1863
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:13,580
mainstream media never wanted to cover

1864
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,890
this story and when they had the

1865
01:29:20,140 --> 01:29:17,840
opportunity where they were forced to

1866
01:29:22,750 --> 01:29:20,150
cover this story due to the New York

1867
01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:22,760
Times article they didn't know what to

1868
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:26,150
ask they don't have the background they

1869
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:28,370
don't well here here's a here's a thing

1870
01:29:34,030 --> 01:29:31,490
that I tell people okay because of very

1871
01:29:36,370 --> 01:29:34,040
passion about this when you're in a

1872
01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:36,380
journalism situation when you are forced

1873
01:29:41,980 --> 01:29:39,230
to cover a topic that you do not like

1874
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:41,990
you do not understand and you do not

1875
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:44,330
know you ask what we call softball

1876
01:29:48,850 --> 01:29:45,280
questions

1877
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:48,860
TTS a knew that the majority of the

1878
01:29:54,370 --> 01:29:51,890
media out there has not ever wanted to

1879
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:54,380
cover this story

1880
01:29:59,980 --> 01:29:57,920
so what they did was is they went to

1881
01:30:02,530 --> 01:29:59,990
media outlets that were gonna ask him a

1882
01:30:05,860 --> 01:30:02,540
bunch of softball questions now normally

1883
01:30:08,980 --> 01:30:05,870
on a story of this magnitude you have a

1884
01:30:11,230 --> 01:30:08,990
point and you have a counterpoint if you

1885
01:30:13,780 --> 01:30:11,240
notice the mainstream media never got

1886
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:13,790
the counterpoint to what T TSA was

1887
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:16,730
saying okay because T TSA says we're

1888
01:30:20,740 --> 01:30:19,570
giving you Lou we're giving you favor

1889
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:20,750
okay

1890
01:30:25,930 --> 01:30:22,880
the media being caught off guard doesn't

1891
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:25,940
matter if it's CNN Fox News whoever says

1892
01:30:31,150 --> 01:30:28,850
oh okay they didn't interview any

1893
01:30:33,550 --> 01:30:31,160
counterpoint because they didn't know

1894
01:30:36,700 --> 01:30:33,560
how to take the story they didn't know

1895
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:36,710
how to run the story they were so caught

1896
01:30:41,890 --> 01:30:38,960
off guard by the story that this was

1897
01:30:44,740 --> 01:30:41,900
real they didn't have anybody out there

1898
01:30:47,050 --> 01:30:44,750
who could do proper research to say well

1899
01:30:50,170 --> 01:30:47,060
let's find out what Richard Dolan thinks

1900
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:50,180
or grant Cameron or or Linda Moulton

1901
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:52,490
Howe Stanton Friedman just to name some

1902
01:30:57,970 --> 01:30:55,370
names to see what they are saying about

1903
01:31:00,610 --> 01:30:57,980
this because they can just jump in

1904
01:31:03,460 --> 01:31:00,620
idears yeah just to jump in I did see

1905
01:31:05,740 --> 01:31:03,470
Dolan interviewed by CBS News cable so

1906
01:31:08,350 --> 01:31:05,750
they did do that but you know again it

1907
01:31:10,420 --> 01:31:08,360
was it was a there was one interview you

1908
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:10,430
know again a typical five minute segment

1909
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:15,650
and they brought him in and I mean that

1910
01:31:18,820 --> 01:31:18,170
was that was it it was basically a drop

1911
01:31:20,590 --> 01:31:18,830
in the ocean

1912
01:31:22,780 --> 01:31:20,600
you know yeah and all the coverage that

1913
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:22,790
they give in all this has been a drop in

1914
01:31:27,340 --> 01:31:25,850
the ocean but you know they're suddenly

1915
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:27,350
there are drops there where there were

1916
01:31:32,230 --> 01:31:29,690
no drops whatsoever before absolutely

1917
01:31:35,740 --> 01:31:32,240
and that's a good thing that's a good

1918
01:31:39,130 --> 01:31:35,750
thing okay but we also have to go on the

1919
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:39,140
narrative too okay that outside of

1920
01:31:46,660 --> 01:31:43,040
George Knapp who I is an idle eyes the

1921
01:31:53,490 --> 01:31:46,670
man okay we're just been a they have not

1922
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:53,500
given two seconds for anybody who is

1923
01:31:58,780 --> 01:31:56,210
associated with any type of alternative

1924
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,790
media for this topic they have not been

1925
01:32:02,140 --> 01:32:00,560
on my show they have not been on

1926
01:32:05,230 --> 01:32:02,150
midnight in the desert they have not

1927
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:05,240
been on any since the announcement they

1928
01:32:10,300 --> 01:32:08,210
haven't been on with George Noory okay

1929
01:32:14,590 --> 01:32:10,310
they haven't been on with Linda Moulton

1930
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:14,600
Howe with Eric Davis did Linda scowl and

1931
01:32:23,050 --> 01:32:18,410
flavor did Linda show no one recently

1932
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:23,060
did Linda and John show so no one isn't

1933
01:32:28,570 --> 01:32:26,210
Nolan isn't directly connected with TSN

1934
01:32:32,620 --> 01:32:28,580
what I'm saying is the major players

1935
01:32:34,420 --> 01:32:32,630
where's Tom where's Lou well Tommy Tom

1936
01:32:36,690 --> 01:32:34,430
did the Brogan show and that didn't

1937
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:36,700
necessarily go over especially well well

1938
01:32:40,540 --> 01:32:38,930
one thing I'll say one thing I'll say

1939
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:40,550
about his appearance on the Rogen show

1940
01:32:47,650 --> 01:32:43,610
is that Brogan asked some very good

1941
01:32:50,140 --> 01:32:47,660
questions but it was at a point where I

1942
01:32:53,620 --> 01:32:50,150
guess said tom was unwilling or unable

1943
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:53,630
to answer them well a lot of good

1944
01:32:58,150 --> 01:32:55,730
questions that the mainstream did not

1945
01:33:01,240 --> 01:32:58,160
but you know now from what I heard from

1946
01:33:03,130 --> 01:33:01,250
the from the Rogen show okay from my

1947
01:33:04,810 --> 01:33:03,140
sources I heard that after that

1948
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:04,820
interview there were members of the T

1949
01:33:09,340 --> 01:33:07,010
TSA in the hierarchy that weren't too

1950
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:09,350
impressed with some of Tom's answers for

1951
01:33:12,940 --> 01:33:12,110
instance talking never mind the UFOs but

1952
01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:12,950
a lot of Tom's

1953
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:14,450
antics where he talked about whipping

1954
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:16,400
his dick out and doing the interview

1955
01:33:21,490 --> 01:33:18,410
with his dick out they don't want to

1956
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:21,500
hear that okay and that's part of the

1957
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:31,760
reason why they got shut down it's

1958
01:33:36,610 --> 01:33:33,920
important Frank it's important because

1959
01:33:39,610 --> 01:33:36,620
here you have the face the man who says

1960
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:39,620
that he created the to the stars Academy

1961
01:33:44,140 --> 01:33:42,110
and now he's being pulled off and now

1962
01:33:48,130 --> 01:33:44,150
Lew is becoming the face of the to the

1963
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:48,140
stars and not Tom Tom was over in Italy

1964
01:33:54,729 --> 01:33:50,810
with Elizondo when they did yes since a

1965
01:33:56,890 --> 01:33:54,739
few months ago yes I understand that but

1966
01:33:59,080 --> 01:33:56,900
Tom hasn't given any interviews since

1967
01:34:01,479 --> 01:33:59,090
the Roget but that table tom is gonna be

1968
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:01,489
on the show tom is gonna be a you know a

1969
01:34:06,130 --> 01:34:04,880
face on the show absolutely he would

1970
01:34:09,190 --> 01:34:06,140
because it's camera time and it's

1971
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:09,200
controlled they can edit him Rogen's not

1972
01:34:13,660 --> 01:34:12,080
edited all right youse are not edited

1973
01:34:16,180 --> 01:34:13,670
whether it's your show or my show or

1974
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:16,190
whatever we like it that way we like it

1975
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:20,690
our Glade ragged exactly exactly but but

1976
01:34:25,220 --> 01:34:22,080
the point that I'm getting at is

1977
01:34:28,700 --> 01:34:25,230
on me you know what Tom made a fool out

1978
01:34:30,650 --> 01:34:28,710
of themselves well the interview did not

1979
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:30,660
go well the interview did not go well

1980
01:34:34,970 --> 01:34:33,120
there was a point early on where he

1981
01:34:38,330 --> 01:34:34,980
asked me what was asking some questions

1982
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:38,340
and the long asked rogen you know have

1983
01:34:41,900 --> 01:34:39,930
you done your background on this event

1984
01:34:43,820 --> 01:34:41,910
so you investigated a little bit and

1985
01:34:44,810 --> 01:34:43,830
that found out what's going on and Rogan

1986
01:34:47,090 --> 01:34:44,820
said he did not

1987
01:34:49,130 --> 01:34:47,100
now Rogan intuitively I think ask some

1988
01:34:51,740 --> 01:34:49,140
again some very good questions

1989
01:34:54,830 --> 01:34:51,750
I was very much focused on the type of

1990
01:34:57,800 --> 01:34:54,840
thing that you know if you really took a

1991
01:34:59,390 --> 01:34:57,810
look at this the long is not gonna

1992
01:35:01,610 --> 01:34:59,400
answer you know what I mean he's not

1993
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:01,620
gonna be able to answer you know who's

1994
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:04,370
involved on the Defense Department side

1995
01:35:09,230 --> 01:35:07,170
absolutely you can't they can't answer

1996
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:09,240
this their plate they are playing with

1997
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:13,110
people who are so high up in regards to

1998
01:35:17,540 --> 01:35:15,780
this we will never know their names

1999
01:35:19,370 --> 01:35:17,550
yeah we still we still don't know the

2000
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:19,380
name of the guy who initially approached

2001
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,450
read and Bigelow to get the a tip

2002
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:23,280
program started I'd like to know who

2003
01:35:27,110 --> 01:35:25,710
that is got a little bit of his

2004
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:27,120
background he's got a couple of

2005
01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:30,690
doctorates but and worked as in the

2006
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:32,550
intelligence field but beyond that we

2007
01:35:35,630 --> 01:35:33,450
don't know who that is

2008
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:35,640
I'd like exactly's I would like to know

2009
01:35:40,700 --> 01:35:38,010
what Bigelow's role is he's being

2010
01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:40,710
awfully silent since his sixty minutes

2011
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,150
interview in May of 2017 and if we're if

2012
01:35:50,210 --> 01:35:47,520
we're not evilly saying that Bigelow has

2013
01:35:54,770 --> 01:35:50,220
nothing to do with this we all deserve a

2014
01:35:57,860 --> 01:35:54,780
hit are to give our heads of shake comm

2015
01:36:01,640 --> 01:35:57,870
Kelleher who ran Bigelow's needs is on

2016
01:36:03,380 --> 01:36:01,650
board with TTS a sodium it's a

2017
01:36:05,420 --> 01:36:03,390
consortium that's what an absolutely and

2018
01:36:07,670 --> 01:36:05,430
if you look at the board of the to the

2019
01:36:09,770 --> 01:36:07,680
stars Academy one way or another the

2020
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:09,780
majority of that board has ties very

2021
01:36:15,020 --> 01:36:12,480
close ties to Bob Bigelow sure they do

2022
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:15,030
sure they do absolutely and I've told

2023
01:36:20,090 --> 01:36:17,250
you now I don't know if I doubt very

2024
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:20,100
much that the entire TGS a concept was

2025
01:36:26,150 --> 01:36:22,890
thought of when Reed and Bigelow put

2026
01:36:28,190 --> 01:36:26,160
together the a jet program and what you

2027
01:36:30,110 --> 01:36:28,200
know Reed has talked about it being a

2028
01:36:32,810 --> 01:36:30,120
competitive bid and all that but I think

2029
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:32,820
realistically that was an inside job to

2030
01:36:37,290 --> 01:36:35,110
get Mogollon percent percent

2031
01:36:39,690 --> 01:36:37,300
you know the best information from the

2032
01:36:41,490 --> 01:36:39,700
best source possible as a military with

2033
01:36:44,220 --> 01:36:41,500
all their remote sensing data and all

2034
01:36:47,010 --> 01:36:44,230
that that was that was a coup though

2035
01:36:49,380 --> 01:36:47,020
like I said that was an inside job in my

2036
01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:49,390
opinion usually nothing and I've seen

2037
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:51,160
nothing to come down the pike since then

2038
01:36:56,250 --> 01:36:54,070
but at some point in time it was decided

2039
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,260
that you know let's do this to the Stars

2040
01:37:00,240 --> 01:36:58,480
thing and from what grants has been

2041
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,250
saying for a long time and I don't think

2042
01:37:03,900 --> 01:37:02,320
he's ever back tractor said well I was

2043
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:03,910
wrong about that which he does do when I

2044
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:05,530
count on those rare occasions when it

2045
01:37:10,650 --> 01:37:08,770
comes up was that the log was in fact

2046
01:37:12,690 --> 01:37:10,660
the catalyst for all this he was the guy

2047
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:12,700
was running around and getting in with

2048
01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:15,010
these people and you know some light

2049
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:17,380
bulbs went over some heads and they said

2050
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:19,690
yeah let's let's do this thing let's see

2051
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:20,890
we can do about getting the word out

2052
01:37:27,570 --> 01:37:24,850
this way well absolutely and why not use

2053
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:27,580
the lawn for their purpose DeLong's the

2054
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:31,450
perfect target he's popular he's rich he

2055
01:37:39,950 --> 01:37:34,810
has a multi-million following on social

2056
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:39,960
media okay why not lose him sure right

2057
01:37:46,410 --> 01:37:43,390
seriously you know absolutely he's the

2058
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:46,420
perfect guy to say okay you've put this

2059
01:37:53,310 --> 01:37:50,400
together and make him believe that I

2060
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:53,320
don't believe for a second that Tom

2061
01:37:58,230 --> 01:37:55,570
putted together on his own on and on

2062
01:37:59,520 --> 01:37:58,240
just the thoughts clearly clearly not

2063
01:38:02,520 --> 01:37:59,530
because he's working with a lot of

2064
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:02,530
people but to say that and I think grant

2065
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:03,850
is sticking to this I have no way of

2066
01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:05,530
knowing but I'll take grants work for it

2067
01:38:10,170 --> 01:38:08,230
on this that belong was a real catalyst

2068
01:38:13,230 --> 01:38:10,180
to get this thing going at the same way

2069
01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:13,240
TTS a over the last year plus has been a

2070
01:38:17,580 --> 01:38:15,550
catalyst and a lot of independent

2071
01:38:19,470 --> 01:38:17,590
researchers include you know including

2072
01:38:21,090 --> 01:38:19,480
me including this show saying you know

2073
01:38:22,710 --> 01:38:21,100
yeah let's get more involved let's try

2074
01:38:24,810 --> 01:38:22,720
to take our game to another level and

2075
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:24,820
getting new people involved and so on

2076
01:38:30,150 --> 01:38:27,610
and so forth so the catalyst leads to

2077
01:38:32,190 --> 01:38:30,160
another catalyst and hopefully leads to

2078
01:38:33,930 --> 01:38:32,200
more catalysts out there and getting

2079
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:33,940
more people interested in getting more

2080
01:38:40,410 --> 01:38:36,850
information out there for anybody wants

2081
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:40,420
to take it all in well I mean we can

2082
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:42,730
agree to disagree on on the role of

2083
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:45,520
DeLong he I don't think I don't give him

2084
01:38:49,050 --> 01:38:47,890
as much credit as many people do for

2085
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:49,060
putting this together when you

2086
01:38:53,940 --> 01:38:51,610
have the exact same people who have been

2087
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:53,950
working with Bigelow all along all of a

2088
01:38:58,230 --> 01:38:56,320
sudden this rock star who has an

2089
01:39:00,120 --> 01:38:58,240
interest in UFOs and wrote a fictional

2090
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:00,130
book about it called secret machines

2091
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:02,410
coming together and saying hey I'm gonna

2092
01:39:06,330 --> 01:39:04,330
put this dream team together I think

2093
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:06,340
it's a little bit more convoluted than

2094
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:09,930
that and even grant has admitted that

2095
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,510
that could be but if the log makes the

2096
01:39:17,190 --> 01:39:15,040
appropriate let's say it says somewhat

2097
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:17,200
mutual you know the long doesn't start

2098
01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:19,450
bugging people but if you remember way

2099
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:21,490
back in the day when it first seemed

2100
01:39:25,260 --> 01:39:23,050
that he was gonna be more proactively

2101
01:39:28,110 --> 01:39:25,270
involved in this it was a documentary

2102
01:39:30,150 --> 01:39:28,120
that's it remember I don't know if you

2103
01:39:31,110 --> 01:39:30,160
remember this or not but he had a teaser

2104
01:39:33,180 --> 01:39:31,120
trailer together

2105
01:39:37,170 --> 01:39:33,190
he had a sit-down interview with John

2106
01:39:40,020 --> 01:39:37,180
Podesta who at that time I think was out

2107
01:39:43,110 --> 01:39:40,030
he was he yeah he had already left the

2108
01:39:45,390 --> 01:39:43,120
Obama administration as an adviser and

2109
01:39:48,030 --> 01:39:45,400
he was out and he was willing to sit

2110
01:39:49,470 --> 01:39:48,040
down and talk to DeLong and do an

2111
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:49,480
interview and I've never seen him

2112
01:39:53,610 --> 01:39:51,550
interviewed on the UFO topic so I'm

2113
01:39:55,170 --> 01:39:53,620
thinking this looks pretty interesting

2114
01:39:58,290 --> 01:39:55,180
and then all of a sudden things go a

2115
01:40:00,210 --> 01:39:58,300
little quiet and then it kind of Ria's

2116
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:00,220
the long kind of Reimer jizz in the UFO

2117
01:40:05,220 --> 01:40:02,910
field and he's putting this together so

2118
01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:05,230
you know who knows that maybe it was

2119
01:40:12,570 --> 01:40:08,940
just him trying to do a UFO documentary

2120
01:40:14,370 --> 01:40:12,580
DePodesta he maybe make some additional

2121
01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:14,380
contacts along the way looking to do a

2122
01:40:19,650 --> 01:40:16,360
documentary and all of a sudden this

2123
01:40:22,890 --> 01:40:19,660
larger idea springs forth and you know

2124
01:40:25,140 --> 01:40:22,900
here we all are today I know I don't

2125
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:25,150
think that's unreasonable there well I

2126
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:27,760
mean you have to look at it too that

2127
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:31,210
when when when if you want to go down

2128
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:35,280
the road of Podesta when he left the

2129
01:40:41,370 --> 01:40:39,130
when one left the the the Obama campaign

2130
01:40:44,610 --> 01:40:41,380
he sent out a Thomas ominous tweet on

2131
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:44,620
February 13th 2015 that says my biggest

2132
01:40:50,730 --> 01:40:48,250
regret was not secure in 20 of 2014 was

2133
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:50,740
not securing the hashtag disclosure of

2134
01:40:58,620 --> 01:40:54,010
the UFO FILES hashtag the truth is still

2135
01:41:00,780 --> 01:40:58,630
out there yep so Podesta previous to

2136
01:41:02,609 --> 01:41:00,790
that had also written a couple of four

2137
01:41:06,089 --> 01:41:02,619
words including a one on Leslie

2138
01:41:10,620 --> 01:41:06,099
Keens book about UFOs he has a major

2139
01:41:14,129 --> 01:41:10,630
major interest in this and that James

2140
01:41:15,930 --> 01:41:14,139
Fox's last movie - absolutely in front

2141
01:41:19,020 --> 01:41:15,940
of the National Press Club you know and

2142
01:41:21,839 --> 01:41:19,030
for people and mainly the mainstream

2143
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:21,849
media to ignore that tweet when you have

2144
01:41:27,180 --> 01:41:24,449
the highest-ranking government official

2145
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:27,190
claiming that he can't get the files out

2146
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:29,730
that's an issue that's a major issue

2147
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:34,750
right major during the campaign cuz uh

2148
01:41:38,399 --> 01:41:36,489
because remember he was involved in the

2149
01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:38,409
Hillary Clinton campaign and the

2150
01:41:43,229 --> 01:41:40,630
WikiLeaks came out and you were seeing

2151
01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:43,239
some emails involving Podesta most of

2152
01:41:47,879 --> 01:41:45,369
them were to Podesta where he's not

2153
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:47,889
necessarily responding but you see the

2154
01:41:51,629 --> 01:41:49,690
kind of people including Tom DeLonge

2155
01:41:54,030 --> 01:41:51,639
including some names getting dropped

2156
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,040
including the then still alive Edgar

2157
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:56,800
Mitchell so this was a guy who was at

2158
01:42:01,470 --> 01:42:00,159
least involved maybe passively people

2159
01:42:03,540 --> 01:42:01,480
are just kind of like sending him emails

2160
01:42:04,979 --> 01:42:03,550
he's looking at him and gone okay but

2161
01:42:06,660 --> 01:42:04,989
I've got other fish to fry here I'm

2162
01:42:12,300 --> 01:42:06,670
trying to get Hillary Clinton elected

2163
01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:12,310
but that came out yeah but to say that

2164
01:42:17,580 --> 01:42:15,670
that we have a fanboy who's put this

2165
01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:17,590
dream team together I think that's a

2166
01:42:24,689 --> 01:42:20,040
little far-fetched a little far-fetched

2167
01:42:27,149 --> 01:42:24,699
because it just doesn't make sense it

2168
01:42:29,879 --> 01:42:27,159
doesn't make sense that Tom could use

2169
01:42:31,740 --> 01:42:29,889
his Rockstar status to all the sudden be

2170
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:31,750
having conversations with the head of

2171
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:34,330
Lockheed skunkworks with John Podesta

2172
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:37,570
and with whomever else is willing to

2173
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:38,130
listen

2174
01:42:42,750 --> 01:42:40,719
sure but I'm not so sure about that okay

2175
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:42,760
I keep going keep going but we can agree

2176
01:42:49,950 --> 01:42:44,560
to disagree on that that that's the

2177
01:42:51,870 --> 01:42:49,960
beautiful part about this okay okay yeah

2178
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:51,880
I just wanted to ask a different

2179
01:42:57,660 --> 01:42:54,610
question and I just wanted to paint a

2180
01:43:00,270 --> 01:42:57,670
backdrop of the question before I ask it

2181
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:00,280
it's this interesting part of history

2182
01:43:06,510 --> 01:43:03,310
that I know both of you have probably

2183
01:43:08,459 --> 01:43:06,520
studied it's gonna take a little while

2184
01:43:10,620 --> 01:43:08,469
before I get to the question so I'll

2185
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,630
just go ahead and start now and there

2186
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:12,880
are reports and confessions of some

2187
01:43:16,170 --> 01:43:14,770
governments admitting their attempts to

2188
01:43:20,850 --> 01:43:16,180
manipulate

2189
01:43:21,660 --> 01:43:20,860
propagandize certain subjects a few

2190
01:43:24,780 --> 01:43:21,670
examples

2191
01:43:28,290 --> 01:43:24,790
CIA create a project and culture which

2192
01:43:32,780 --> 01:43:28,300
began in 1953 I think it was broken by

2193
01:43:35,460 --> 01:43:32,790
the Fifth Estate media by the way

2194
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:35,470
regarding jacque's fillet in the US

2195
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:39,040
government project blooping the plan to

2196
01:43:44,190 --> 01:43:41,920
fake the second coming of Christ which

2197
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:44,200
was investigated by dr. Jacques Spillane

2198
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:47,530
he talks about it on Jeffrey mish lives

2199
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:50,170
a program thinking aloud he said during

2200
01:43:55,530 --> 01:43:52,960
the Watergate trials false flag plans

2201
01:43:57,390 --> 01:43:55,540
were uncovered originating in the White

2202
01:43:58,020 --> 01:43:57,400
House to fake the second coming of

2203
01:44:01,100 --> 01:43:58,030
Christ

2204
01:44:04,110 --> 01:44:01,110
by using Holograms mounted on a surfaced

2205
01:44:08,220 --> 01:44:04,120
submarine which words result in an

2206
01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:08,230
attack on Cuba now more recently the AP

2207
01:44:18,030 --> 01:44:13,270
a very venerated outlet released in

2208
01:44:21,210 --> 01:44:18,040
expose on Zune Zune Al in April 2014

2209
01:44:23,790 --> 01:44:21,220
soon soon l was an online United States

2210
01:44:27,180 --> 01:44:23,800
owned company social network and

2211
01:44:30,630 --> 01:44:27,190
microblogging service marketed to Cuban

2212
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,640
users the service was created in 2010 by

2213
01:44:35,250 --> 01:44:32,560
the US agency for the International

2214
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:35,260
Development the US government covertly

2215
01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:36,970
developed the service as a long-term

2216
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:39,070
strategy to encourage Cuban ruth's

2217
01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:41,650
youths to revolt against the nation's

2218
01:44:47,370 --> 01:44:44,820
government fomenting a Cuban Spring a

2219
01:44:50,010 --> 01:44:47,380
reference to the Arab Spring revolutions

2220
01:44:52,620 --> 01:44:50,020
the initiative also appears to have had

2221
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:52,630
a surveillance dimension allowing a vast

2222
01:44:57,210 --> 01:44:54,970
database about Cuban xun's unio

2223
01:45:00,090 --> 01:44:57,220
subscribers including gender age

2224
01:45:01,890 --> 01:45:00,100
receptiveness and political tendencies

2225
01:45:05,370 --> 01:45:01,900
to be built okay

2226
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:05,380
knowing that first world and other types

2227
01:45:11,370 --> 01:45:08,650
of governments around the planet have

2228
01:45:15,900 --> 01:45:11,380
actually spent a lot of time effort and

2229
01:45:17,610 --> 01:45:15,910
money to manipulate people Dave do you

2230
01:45:19,470 --> 01:45:17,620
think the US government and other

2231
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,480
governments around the planet are still

2232
01:45:24,420 --> 01:45:21,360
currently manipulating and

2233
01:45:28,140 --> 01:45:24,430
propagandizing efforts and if so for

2234
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:28,150
what reasons well I think when it comes

2235
01:45:31,740 --> 01:45:30,010
to this topic there's a lot of been

2236
01:45:37,580 --> 01:45:31,750
halation going on at a higher level

2237
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:39,630
maybe they don't want to give out

2238
01:45:47,010 --> 01:45:43,810
whether its technological whether its

2239
01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:47,020
military whether it's anything you know

2240
01:45:51,690 --> 01:45:48,760
why why would they want to give out the

2241
01:45:54,900 --> 01:45:51,700
secrets why would they we are talking

2242
01:45:59,640 --> 01:45:54,910
when it comes to UFOs we are talking

2243
01:46:02,520 --> 01:45:59,650
about the the literal second biggest

2244
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:02,530
story in mankind's history next to Jesus

2245
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:04,960
Christ himself coming down from the

2246
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:08,290
heavens what else is out there how long

2247
01:46:14,580 --> 01:46:11,440
have they been in contact how are we

2248
01:46:19,110 --> 01:46:14,590
able to manipulate any type of

2249
01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:19,120
technology that we may have all right if

2250
01:46:23,790 --> 01:46:21,670
you believe that Roswell happened the

2251
01:46:27,710 --> 01:46:23,800
Kecksburg happened that shag Harbor

2252
01:46:30,810 --> 01:46:27,720
happened what did we retrieve from there

2253
01:46:34,050 --> 01:46:30,820
what do we have do we have ETS

2254
01:46:36,750 --> 01:46:34,060
if you bases I mean this is such a broad

2255
01:46:39,900 --> 01:46:36,760
question all right because it bases

2256
01:46:42,090 --> 01:46:39,910
everything on mankind's history

2257
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:42,100
it affects religion it affects

2258
01:46:47,790 --> 01:46:44,730
technology it affects our everyday

2259
01:46:50,100 --> 01:46:47,800
thinking that we are alone in this

2260
01:46:53,970 --> 01:46:50,110
universe that the majority of people on

2261
01:46:55,890 --> 01:46:53,980
this planet pay no attention to right

2262
01:46:59,250 --> 01:46:55,900
and if you look at the United States

2263
01:47:01,800 --> 01:46:59,260
alone how would the populace react if

2264
01:47:03,810 --> 01:47:01,810
they knew their government had been

2265
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:03,820
hiding extraterrestrials and et

2266
01:47:11,670 --> 01:47:08,770
technology for decades decades well just

2267
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:11,680
just to go back now to Bob Bigelow

2268
01:47:16,830 --> 01:47:14,110
now you had brought his name up and that

2269
01:47:19,110 --> 01:47:16,840
we had a question in the chat asking if

2270
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:19,120
you think that Bob Bigelow is nefarious

2271
01:47:22,860 --> 01:47:21,130
it's kind of a you know a vaguely worded

2272
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:22,870
question but then do you think he's a

2273
01:47:31,170 --> 01:47:29,050
nefarious in any way I Tom from MUFON I

2274
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:31,180
don't think I don't think Bigelow's

2275
01:47:37,050 --> 01:47:34,170
nefarious I think he wants to know I

2276
01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:37,060
think he wants to know what I would like

2277
01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:39,490
to know is why the interest what what

2278
01:47:47,419 --> 01:47:43,630
caused him to have that sort of

2279
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:47,429
of intrigue that he has literally thrown

2280
01:47:56,700 --> 01:47:53,110
millions of his own money okay into this

2281
01:47:58,290 --> 01:47:56,710
field okay let's say his family had

2282
01:48:01,830 --> 01:47:58,300
sightings back in the day he's talked

2283
01:48:04,350 --> 01:48:01,840
about this yes yes but is there more to

2284
01:48:06,569 --> 01:48:04,360
it is there more to it and why is he so

2285
01:48:10,220 --> 01:48:06,579
secretive is it about the technology

2286
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:10,230
isn't about getting to space is it about

2287
01:48:18,030 --> 01:48:13,530
his own personal quest what is it about

2288
01:48:20,609 --> 01:48:18,040
why did you buy the skinwalker ranch why

2289
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:20,619
you know what what intrigues you that

2290
01:48:26,209 --> 01:48:22,810
you are keeping a lot of this away from

2291
01:48:28,649 --> 01:48:26,219
the public when you know that the public

2292
01:48:31,459 --> 01:48:28,659
wants to know the answers because it's

2293
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:31,469
happening to them as well and

2294
01:48:35,370 --> 01:48:34,090
unfortunately he's a very private man do

2295
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:35,380
I think he's doing it for nefarious

2296
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,320
reasons no not at all but I do believe

2297
01:48:43,890 --> 01:48:40,800
that it has to deal with probably profit

2298
01:48:45,959 --> 01:48:43,900
probably his own want and yearning

2299
01:48:48,569 --> 01:48:45,969
desire to figure out what else is out

2300
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:48,579
there maybe he wants to be the man who

2301
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:52,239
you know finds the UFO Holy Grail well

2302
01:48:55,050 --> 01:48:53,530
he's a believer I don't think there's

2303
01:48:57,419 --> 01:48:55,060
any question about that he's not

2304
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:57,429
ambiguous at all if you looked at that

2305
01:49:01,979 --> 01:48:59,679
sixty minutes interview but again you

2306
01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:01,989
know even there 60 minutes a fairly

2307
01:49:08,970 --> 01:49:04,840
in-depth piece maybe 15 minutes worth or

2308
01:49:11,850 --> 01:49:08,980
so when they ran the profile on him not

2309
01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:11,860
too much on the et topic he said he's a

2310
01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:13,510
believer he doesn't give a damn what

2311
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:15,310
anybody else thinks and that was about

2312
01:49:21,450 --> 01:49:19,090
it no reason behind it you know and they

2313
01:49:23,879 --> 01:49:21,460
just kind of left it there absolutely

2314
01:49:26,609 --> 01:49:23,889
not absolutely but I mean you look at it

2315
01:49:29,339 --> 01:49:26,619
you know if you look at the reality of

2316
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:29,349
that sixty minutes interview with with

2317
01:49:35,790 --> 01:49:32,170
Bigelow and that was a big damn moment I

2318
01:49:41,490 --> 01:49:35,800
mean you know there's a huge huge moment

2319
01:49:44,609 --> 01:49:41,500
that that in reality why when you have a

2320
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:44,619
very popular billionaire in the United

2321
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:47,050
States making these claims that that

2322
01:49:53,339 --> 01:49:49,840
little piece of what he said was not

2323
01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:53,349
headline news all across the United

2324
01:50:01,410 --> 01:49:57,610
States the next day to me is is

2325
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:01,420
ridiculous it was massive for what he

2326
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:04,810
said and anybody in ufology who does not

2327
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:08,050
take what he said as being literal you

2328
01:50:14,100 --> 01:50:10,690
got to give your head a shake you have

2329
01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:14,110
to give your head a shake he you could

2330
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:16,750
tell in that interview that that the

2331
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:18,730
lady who was interviewing him did not

2332
01:50:23,370 --> 01:50:21,040
want to go down that road let alone is

2333
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:23,380
smart he goaded her into that

2334
01:50:28,500 --> 01:50:25,840
conversation goaded her into that

2335
01:50:30,990 --> 01:50:28,510
conversation he wanted to say something

2336
01:50:31,470 --> 01:50:31,000
and god bless him for doing that all

2337
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:31,480
right

2338
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:33,730
the big mystery with Bigelow is Bigelow

2339
01:50:37,979 --> 01:50:35,770
himself what is the purpose of all of

2340
01:50:41,660 --> 01:50:37,989
this why are you doing this when you got

2341
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:41,670
the money from from the government why

2342
01:50:47,310 --> 01:50:45,130
why why are any of us into this now why

2343
01:50:48,780 --> 01:50:47,320
are any of us all into this we've all

2344
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,790
got our reasons he happens to be an

2345
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:51,280
unusually wealthy guy and he's putting

2346
01:50:56,189 --> 01:50:53,530
his money where his mouth is my only

2347
01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:56,199
criticism real of him is really that

2348
01:50:59,790 --> 01:50:57,850
he's being quite frankly somewhat

2349
01:51:01,560 --> 01:50:59,800
miserly with the date of these aquired

2350
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:01,570
he should back it up better and more

2351
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:03,850
openly you you're complaining about to

2352
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:06,010
the stars Academy but Bigelow has been

2353
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:08,170
all over this for you know a couple

2354
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:12,400
decades or so and he's you know he makes

2355
01:51:15,629 --> 01:51:14,710
it to the stars Academy look like the

2356
01:51:18,030 --> 01:51:15,639
Kardashians

2357
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:18,040
by comparison absolutely he does

2358
01:51:23,729 --> 01:51:20,710
absolutely he does what is it what is

2359
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:23,739
the reasoning that is the big one all

2360
01:51:28,140 --> 01:51:26,110
right I mean I would love to ask Bob

2361
01:51:30,270 --> 01:51:28,150
Bigelow that when you got that 22

2362
01:51:32,850 --> 01:51:30,280
million dollars why did you use a

2363
01:51:38,910 --> 01:51:32,860
portion of that money to go buy UFO

2364
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:38,920
websites I would like to ask that what

2365
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:42,239
was the purpose for bass doing that

2366
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:45,850
example he bought one North from a guy

2367
01:51:53,129 --> 01:51:51,040
named Brian Vike north of me why why did

2368
01:51:55,379 --> 01:51:53,139
you do why did you do that what it why

2369
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:55,389
why are you trying to own the market on

2370
01:51:59,970 --> 01:51:57,760
this field what what what's the

2371
01:52:01,800 --> 01:51:59,980
reasoning behind that he will never have

2372
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:01,810
to answer that because he's a private

2373
01:52:07,890 --> 01:52:05,440
firm but if you go on Brian Vikes old

2374
01:52:11,039 --> 01:52:07,900
web site all right

2375
01:52:15,689 --> 01:52:11,049
h bcc UFO org

2376
01:52:17,339 --> 01:52:15,699
he bought all the files too that he

2377
01:52:19,709 --> 01:52:17,349
scooped up a lot of people's files and

2378
01:52:22,589 --> 01:52:19,719
are absolutely obvious Lee he got

2379
01:52:25,829 --> 01:52:22,599
involved in MUFON he's yes he did he got

2380
01:52:29,159 --> 01:52:25,839
well john alexander arranged for the faa

2381
01:52:30,419 --> 01:52:29,169
to refer any kind of pilot sightings or

2382
01:52:34,889 --> 01:52:30,429
any sightings that might come their way

2383
01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:34,899
to him - bass absolutely john alexander

2384
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:36,760
has said on my show that when he bought

2385
01:52:40,879 --> 01:52:38,649
in the skinwalker ranch even though john

2386
01:52:43,349 --> 01:52:40,889
never experienced anything on his own

2387
01:52:47,639 --> 01:52:43,359
that everything that has come out in

2388
01:52:49,049 --> 01:52:47,649
public that happened there is true well

2389
01:52:51,689 --> 01:52:49,059
if it isn't true why would you admit

2390
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:51,699
it's true so I mean there's there's a

2391
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:54,639
lot that that Bigelow is mysterious and

2392
01:52:59,789 --> 01:52:57,010
it's the mystery of Bigelow that keeps

2393
01:53:03,209 --> 01:52:59,799
us all going why did he buy into MUFON

2394
01:53:05,539 --> 01:53:03,219
what did he want from that well I think

2395
01:53:08,489 --> 01:53:05,549
it well I think he wanted data I mean

2396
01:53:10,979 --> 01:53:08,499
that might be an oversimplification but

2397
01:53:13,469 --> 01:53:10,989
he wanted data okay but what kind of

2398
01:53:15,509 --> 01:53:13,479
data because I first if the best dating

2399
01:53:17,759 --> 01:53:15,519
he could get his hands on okay but

2400
01:53:19,079 --> 01:53:17,769
that's easy to say but what's that is

2401
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:19,089
easy to say I have answer an

2402
01:53:23,219 --> 01:53:21,609
oversimplification but I think he was

2403
01:53:25,289 --> 01:53:23,229
looking for things anywhere he went into

2404
01:53:27,419 --> 01:53:25,299
business with Bob Lazar for a little bit

2405
01:53:30,599 --> 01:53:27,429
you know yes he did you know he seems

2406
01:53:32,849 --> 01:53:30,609
like he's a guy who will take some

2407
01:53:35,509 --> 01:53:32,859
chances but we'll cut his losses too

2408
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:35,519
because that corporation with Bob Lazar

2409
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:37,689
didn't the last that long

2410
01:53:42,179 --> 01:53:39,760
the bond arrangement with Wolff I didn't

2411
01:53:44,039 --> 01:53:42,189
last that long if he's dissatisfied with

2412
01:53:45,989 --> 01:53:44,049
what he's getting okay you know he'll

2413
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:45,999
cut and run that's I think that's the

2414
01:53:50,099 --> 01:53:48,489
evidence too but it isn't it

2415
01:53:52,049 --> 01:53:50,109
coincidental though that the minute

2416
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:52,059
Bigelow gets involved with Bob Lazar

2417
01:53:57,299 --> 01:53:54,639
that the so-called death threats that

2418
01:53:59,159 --> 01:53:57,309
Lazar was experiencing from outing his

2419
01:54:06,609 --> 01:53:59,169
experience at area 51

2420
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:10,270
Yeah right yeah I mean there's no timing

2421
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:13,130
on that there's all these little nuances

2422
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:16,130
that that come around and everything is

2423
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,170
focused around Bigelow even to the stars

2424
01:54:22,780 --> 01:54:20,239
Academy there are people out there

2425
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:22,790
trying to figure out what Bigelow's role

2426
01:54:26,109 --> 01:54:25,130
is in all of it because he's never gone

2427
01:54:29,169 --> 01:54:26,119
public about it

2428
01:54:31,629 --> 01:54:29,179
is he even involved well if you look at

2429
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:31,639
the team they will they will definitely

2430
01:54:38,260 --> 01:54:34,480
show you that they all have ties to

2431
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:38,270
Bigelow and Dave Dave how do you feel

2432
01:54:42,399 --> 01:54:40,159
about the role of Senator Harry Reid we

2433
01:54:44,859 --> 01:54:42,409
already know how he has connected

2434
01:54:48,359 --> 01:54:44,869
himself but personally how do you feel

2435
01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:48,369
about his role in this whole situation I

2436
01:54:54,810 --> 01:54:51,710
think you know what it's the same thing

2437
01:55:01,000 --> 01:54:54,820
as Paul Hellyer up here in Canada oh

2438
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:01,010
okay now I've talked to grant a number

2439
01:55:07,629 --> 01:55:04,639
of times in regards to this all right

2440
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:07,639
and grant and I agree to disagree on

2441
01:55:12,370 --> 01:55:09,440
this and I've talked to other Canadian

2442
01:55:14,820 --> 01:55:12,380
researchers on this Paul Hellyer was

2443
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:14,830
Canada's defense minister I believe from

2444
01:55:26,919 --> 01:55:23,810
1963 to 1967 all right and in 1967 for

2445
01:55:29,859 --> 01:55:26,929
Canada's 100-year anniversary in st.

2446
01:55:32,859 --> 01:55:29,869
Paul Alberta they built a UFO landing

2447
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:32,869
pad which happened to be Hellyer who

2448
01:55:39,070 --> 01:55:36,560
opened up that landing pad all right

2449
01:55:40,810 --> 01:55:39,080
and it's was a tourist attraction that

2450
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:40,820
everybody is welcome in Canada even

2451
01:55:46,990 --> 01:55:44,000
those from outer space all right then

2452
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:47,000
the Falcon Lake incident was Stefan

2453
01:55:56,290 --> 01:55:50,690
Michalak happened where he was badly

2454
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:56,300
burned by a UFO all right that happened

2455
01:56:02,500 --> 01:55:59,360
on Hellyer's watch and then a couple

2456
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:02,510
months after the Liberal government that

2457
01:56:10,359 --> 01:56:06,560
Hellyer was a part of was ousted from

2458
01:56:16,180 --> 01:56:10,369
power in an election shag Harbor

2459
01:56:19,149 --> 01:56:16,190
happened and for years years Hellyer has

2460
01:56:20,259 --> 01:56:19,159
stated that he knew nothing of the UFO

2461
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:20,269
phenomenon

2462
01:56:25,950 --> 01:56:23,360
while he was in office but all the

2463
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:25,960
sudden in the 2000s he comes out saying

2464
01:56:32,819 --> 01:56:29,119
aliens are here there's five known

2465
01:56:35,229 --> 01:56:32,829
species that have visited this planet

2466
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:35,239
where was all of this when he was in

2467
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:37,610
power and I looked at the same thing

2468
01:56:43,479 --> 01:56:40,159
with Harry Reid okay where all the

2469
01:56:47,169 --> 01:56:43,489
sudden Harry is becoming now that he's

2470
01:56:51,100 --> 01:56:47,179
no longer in DC becoming a major voice

2471
01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:51,110
on pushing DC to publicly towards the

2472
01:56:55,209 --> 01:56:52,510
UFO phenomena

2473
01:56:57,970 --> 01:56:55,219
Harry why didn't you do that publicly

2474
01:57:01,629 --> 01:56:57,980
when you were in office what were you

2475
01:57:03,459 --> 01:57:01,639
afraid of what were you hiding Harry we

2476
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:03,469
know you were hiding the 22 million

2477
01:57:09,399 --> 01:57:07,280
dollars that you got got Bigelow so

2478
01:57:12,250 --> 01:57:09,409
obviously it was on your mind Harry

2479
01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:12,260
or is it like Fife Symington down in

2480
01:57:18,759 --> 01:57:15,980
Arizona okay where he made a mockery of

2481
01:57:20,529 --> 01:57:18,769
his own citizens in that press

2482
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:20,539
conference the day after the Phoenix

2483
01:57:28,810 --> 01:57:24,110
lights all right but 15 years later

2484
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:28,820
comes out and says I saw them I didn't

2485
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:31,010
know how to react I didn't know what to

2486
01:57:37,450 --> 01:57:34,880
do it is it is bizarre it is bizarre how

2487
01:57:39,250 --> 01:57:37,460
absolutely when they're in they

2488
01:57:41,439 --> 01:57:39,260
generally said not always but generally

2489
01:57:43,629 --> 01:57:41,449
say nothing got Barry Goldwater our

2490
01:57:47,410 --> 01:57:43,639
former senator from Arizona is another

2491
01:57:48,729 --> 01:57:47,420
one absolutely he started talking a

2492
01:57:51,459 --> 01:57:48,739
little bit more about his interest he

2493
01:57:55,390 --> 01:57:51,469
was very interested absolutely

2494
01:57:58,720 --> 01:57:55,400
absolutely okay Dave I had another

2495
01:58:00,700 --> 01:57:58,730
question for you do you and and I asked

2496
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:00,710
you because you've covered this topic

2497
01:58:06,669 --> 01:58:04,239
before and it's really interesting

2498
01:58:08,500 --> 01:58:06,679
regarding your insight on it do you

2499
01:58:10,810 --> 01:58:08,510
believe the scientific and journalistic

2500
01:58:13,930 --> 01:58:10,820
communities are purposely ignoring the

2501
01:58:15,399 --> 01:58:13,940
possibility of the presence of or

2502
01:58:19,649 --> 01:58:15,409
existence of extraterrestrial

2503
01:58:23,020 --> 01:58:19,659
civilizations if so why I can't say

2504
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:23,030
science okay because it's not my field

2505
01:58:30,819 --> 01:58:27,530
of expertise journalism 100 percent 100

2506
01:58:33,940 --> 01:58:30,829
percent now it's not for the reasons

2507
01:58:40,390 --> 01:58:33,950
that the public would love to have you

2508
01:58:42,460 --> 01:58:40,400
No okay it's not for the reasons of you

2509
01:58:46,090 --> 01:58:42,470
know I've heard stories and I've debated

2510
01:58:48,670 --> 01:58:46,100
people on this both on my show and

2511
01:58:51,340 --> 01:58:48,680
online where people say well the reason

2512
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:51,350
why the UFO story hasn't been on

2513
01:58:55,420 --> 01:58:53,360
mainstream news is that every news

2514
01:58:57,580 --> 01:58:55,430
outlet has a government official working

2515
01:59:00,010 --> 01:58:57,590
they're saying what can and cannot be

2516
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:00,020
put on the air that's a bold-faced lie

2517
01:59:07,450 --> 01:59:04,730
that's just a terrible excuse okay that

2518
01:59:09,250 --> 01:59:07,460
people are making up there are no

2519
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:09,260
government officials working in

2520
01:59:15,010 --> 01:59:12,410
newsrooms saying what can and cannot get

2521
01:59:18,580 --> 01:59:15,020
on the air so let's just clarify that

2522
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:18,590
right off the bat okay the reason why

2523
01:59:24,340 --> 01:59:22,400
the mainstream media has not wanted to

2524
01:59:28,330 --> 01:59:24,350
cover this story is you have to

2525
01:59:32,290 --> 01:59:28,340
understand how people in media work okay

2526
01:59:36,490 --> 01:59:32,300
they are a fickle Bunch they are a five

2527
01:59:39,790 --> 01:59:36,500
senses Bunch they deal with BS every

2528
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:39,800
single day and they try and find stories

2529
01:59:47,890 --> 01:59:45,050
that revolve outside of that BS and it

2530
01:59:50,350 --> 01:59:47,900
wears on people so when you get somebody

2531
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:50,360
calling up saying I've had a UFO

2532
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:53,450
experience and I've got video to prove

2533
01:59:55,930 --> 01:59:55,610
it they're like yeah whatever just go

2534
02:00:01,180 --> 01:59:55,940
away

2535
02:00:03,460 --> 02:00:01,190
seeking 15 minutes of fame that's why

2536
02:00:06,940 --> 02:00:03,470
they've hated this topic for a number of

2537
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:06,950
years is because like I said earlier in

2538
02:00:13,570 --> 02:00:10,370
the show the average journalist looks at

2539
02:00:16,660 --> 02:00:13,580
the field of ufology as someone the

2540
02:00:21,130 --> 02:00:16,670
average person in ufology isn't the cris

2541
02:00:23,230 --> 02:00:21,140
Cogswell's isn't the the the Dave

2542
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:23,240
Scott's the Frank Stoll ters the chant

2543
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:25,850
Hannah's the educated people the Jeff

2544
02:00:31,390 --> 02:00:28,610
Meldrum's in the Bigfoot industry okay

2545
02:00:34,330 --> 02:00:31,400
or the cold Kelleher's or or people like

2546
02:00:37,950 --> 02:00:34,340
that they're not looking at those people

2547
02:00:40,890 --> 02:00:37,960
with any type of of knowledge whatsoever

2548
02:00:44,680 --> 02:00:40,900
their picture in their brain of people

2549
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:44,690
who believe in UFOs are somebody who has

2550
02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:47,890
not finished grade 9 who doesn't have a

2551
02:00:55,980 --> 02:00:51,840
plan who is missing teeth who works at a

2552
02:00:58,590 --> 02:00:55,990
minimum-wage job pushing a broom who

2553
02:01:00,870 --> 02:00:58,600
lives in a trailer park somewhere and

2554
02:01:02,850 --> 02:01:00,880
buys their clothes from the sally-ann or

2555
02:01:06,210 --> 02:01:02,860
walmart okay

2556
02:01:11,730 --> 02:01:06,220
they have stereotyped the UFO crowds for

2557
02:01:14,250 --> 02:01:11,740
so many years that that is the image

2558
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:14,260
that people have I'll give you an

2559
02:01:19,410 --> 02:01:17,110
example of this I was standing on my

2560
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:19,420
patio in Mission British Columbia with

2561
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:21,250
some friends of mine and I we watched

2562
02:01:26,250 --> 02:01:24,370
this orb this giant white orb

2563
02:01:28,700 --> 02:01:26,260
come along the Fraser River because my

2564
02:01:32,010 --> 02:01:28,710
house overlooked the Fraser River and

2565
02:01:34,890 --> 02:01:32,020
comes from east to west came over the

2566
02:01:36,450 --> 02:01:34,900
Fraser River and about 5,000 feet turned

2567
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:36,460
south towards Abbotsford British

2568
02:01:43,860 --> 02:01:40,930
Columbia made an absolute 180-degree

2569
02:01:47,430 --> 02:01:43,870
turn came north back towards Mission and

2570
02:01:48,300 --> 02:01:47,440
then dropped out of sight I called into

2571
02:01:50,250 --> 02:01:48,310
the newsroom

2572
02:01:51,930 --> 02:01:50,260
where I used to work and my friend John

2573
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:51,940
answered the phone I've known John at

2574
02:01:56,750 --> 02:01:54,880
that time for about ten years I said

2575
02:02:00,660 --> 02:01:56,760
John is anybody reported anything

2576
02:02:03,810 --> 02:02:00,670
strange over mission and he goes no

2577
02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:03,820
haven't heard any reports I said what

2578
02:02:07,350 --> 02:02:05,710
about on the police scanner he goes no

2579
02:02:09,570 --> 02:02:07,360
he goes what are you getting at he goes

2580
02:02:11,820 --> 02:02:09,580
what happened as a John week my friends

2581
02:02:14,340 --> 02:02:11,830
and I just witnessed a UFO come right

2582
02:02:16,410 --> 02:02:14,350
along the Fraser River okay now this is

2583
02:02:17,850 --> 02:02:16,420
a guy for ten years I've known him he

2584
02:02:19,890 --> 02:02:17,860
knows I does I don't drink

2585
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:19,900
he knows I don't use any narcotics

2586
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:22,030
including marijuana and he said his

2587
02:02:32,460 --> 02:02:29,180
how much have you had to drink tonight

2588
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:32,470
they don't want the story which is the

2589
02:02:40,350 --> 02:02:38,050
reason why when you look at ufology when

2590
02:02:42,150 --> 02:02:40,360
they do run a story it's in the

2591
02:02:44,130 --> 02:02:42,160
entertainment section which is at the

2592
02:02:45,950 --> 02:02:44,140
back end of the news we have the

2593
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:45,960
twilight zone music the Close Encounters

2594
02:02:50,460 --> 02:02:48,490
music the reporter goes through the

2595
02:02:55,620 --> 02:02:50,470
story interviews someone who looks like

2596
02:02:57,450 --> 02:02:55,630
a hick okay and then they throw it back

2597
02:03:01,470 --> 02:02:57,460
to the anchors the anchors make some

2598
02:03:05,190 --> 02:03:01,480
sort of stupid joke and then the store

2599
02:03:08,820 --> 02:03:05,200
disappears that's the way the media has

2600
02:03:11,340 --> 02:03:08,830
treated it and along those lines they

2601
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:11,350
like I said you earlier the media never

2602
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:15,520
wanted the UFO story they were forced

2603
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:17,650
into it because of the New York Times

2604
02:03:24,150 --> 02:03:20,290
article they were forced into it because

2605
02:03:26,580 --> 02:03:24,160
of the information that was there that

2606
02:03:30,930 --> 02:03:26,590
the government actually spent taxpayers

2607
02:03:33,690 --> 02:03:30,940
dollars on UFO research and they've been

2608
02:03:35,010 --> 02:03:33,700
playing catch-up ever since so from a

2609
02:03:37,460 --> 02:03:35,020
media standpoint

2610
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:37,470
they've never wanted to look into other

2611
02:03:43,229 --> 02:03:40,330
civilizations all right they know

2612
02:03:47,010 --> 02:03:43,239
Hollywood exaggerated severy thing like

2613
02:03:48,990 --> 02:03:47,020
we learned with fire in the sky they

2614
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:49,000
know and we're learning with Project

2615
02:03:54,750 --> 02:03:51,850
Blue Book the TV show exactly they've

2616
02:03:57,120 --> 02:03:54,760
also learned that any type of special so

2617
02:03:59,100 --> 02:03:57,130
if you go on History Channel or you go

2618
02:04:02,370 --> 02:03:59,110
on Discovery the highest-rated

2619
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:02,380
television programs outside of NFL

2620
02:04:08,700 --> 02:04:05,170
football usually deal with ghosts or

2621
02:04:12,930 --> 02:04:08,710
UFOs unless it's Seinfeld back in the

2622
02:04:14,820 --> 02:04:12,940
day all right or who shot junior but the

2623
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:14,830
media doesn't accept that because if you

2624
02:04:20,790 --> 02:04:17,290
look at a lot of these shows that are

2625
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:20,800
out there they're so outrageous or they

2626
02:04:28,020 --> 02:04:25,690
are so geared towards fear-mongering

2627
02:04:30,690 --> 02:04:28,030
that the media who lives in the

2628
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:30,700
here-and-now does not take those stories

2629
02:04:38,190 --> 02:04:35,650
seriously and that's the issue they

2630
02:04:40,350 --> 02:04:38,200
haven't had to take it seriously because

2631
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:40,360
I mean you go on History Channel you get

2632
02:04:47,070 --> 02:04:43,360
this deep voice saying what do we do if

2633
02:04:49,470 --> 02:04:47,080
there is an alien invasion are men and

2634
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:49,480
women on this planet prepared what do

2635
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:51,520
our governments do when

2636
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:53,730
extraterrestrials come down they

2637
02:04:59,550 --> 02:04:56,610
sensational lies what is truly happening

2638
02:05:02,970 --> 02:04:59,560
so there's been no point up until

2639
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:02,980
December 16th 2017 for anybody in the

2640
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:06,370
media to take this seriously and that's

2641
02:05:13,979 --> 02:05:12,880
as simple as it is okay Dave how society

2642
02:05:15,430 --> 02:05:13,989
evolved to the point where it feels

2643
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:15,440
there is extraterrestrial

2644
02:05:18,700 --> 02:05:16,850
divot II and they're more willing to

2645
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:18,710
acknowledge the possibility of it I

2646
02:05:23,500 --> 02:05:21,170
think that they are getting smart they

2647
02:05:24,970 --> 02:05:23,510
are becoming aware I think there's a big

2648
02:05:27,850 --> 02:05:24,980
difference between awareness and

2649
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:27,860
preparedness if you were to ask me is

2650
02:05:32,350 --> 02:05:30,890
society prepared for the United States

2651
02:05:35,439 --> 02:05:32,360
government or the governments of the

2652
02:05:37,570 --> 02:05:35,449
world to come out and say aliens are

2653
02:05:40,330 --> 02:05:37,580
here they walk among us much like

2654
02:05:42,340 --> 02:05:40,340
Bigelow did I don't think that the

2655
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:42,350
public is ready you're going to have a

2656
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:44,239
bunch of people I mean look what

2657
02:05:50,010 --> 02:05:45,730
happened during War of the Worlds

2658
02:05:53,860 --> 02:05:50,020
granted it was a different time but if

2659
02:05:56,590 --> 02:05:53,870
you come out and say that there's going

2660
02:05:59,140 --> 02:05:56,600
to be some sort of Anarchy that goes on

2661
02:06:02,920 --> 02:05:59,150
the religious community who has said all

2662
02:06:05,260 --> 02:06:02,930
aliens are demons for centuries now well

2663
02:06:08,140 --> 02:06:05,270
some some some have said that that that

2664
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:08,150
comes I think from largely a a small

2665
02:06:13,330 --> 02:06:10,850
subset of fundamentalist Christians

2666
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:13,340
there they have said that yeah well I'm

2667
02:06:17,709 --> 02:06:15,050
staring at a church right now that is

2668
02:06:22,060 --> 02:06:17,719
not fundamentalist that totally believes

2669
02:06:24,910 --> 02:06:22,070
that all aliens are demons right and I

2670
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:24,920
come from a religious community so the

2671
02:06:29,290 --> 02:06:27,770
point that I'm getting at is you have to

2672
02:06:30,970 --> 02:06:29,300
worry about the religious community

2673
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:30,980
what's the effects now the Catholic

2674
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:35,210
Church has started recently in saying if

2675
02:06:40,660 --> 02:06:37,850
aliens do come down we'd be willing to

2676
02:06:43,209 --> 02:06:40,670
baptize some Pope Francis has said that

2677
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:43,219
the Catholic Church has a very very

2678
02:06:47,650 --> 02:06:45,650
strong but is starting to push the

2679
02:06:49,930 --> 02:06:47,660
strong belief of an alien presence is

2680
02:06:52,020 --> 02:06:49,940
that coincidence that it's been

2681
02:06:54,610 --> 02:06:52,030
happening the last five to eight years

2682
02:06:57,550 --> 02:06:54,620
compared to where we are now I don't

2683
02:06:59,890 --> 02:06:57,560
know is it coincidence is there some

2684
02:07:01,660 --> 02:06:59,900
sort of scheme going on well within

2685
02:07:04,060 --> 02:07:01,670
there within the church there there are

2686
02:07:06,700 --> 02:07:04,070
the Jesuits and they've been involved in

2687
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:06,710
astronomy this goes back quite a ways

2688
02:07:12,610 --> 02:07:08,690
the fellow who developed the Big Bang

2689
02:07:15,340 --> 02:07:12,620
Theory was a Jesuit priest so this this

2690
02:07:16,979 --> 02:07:15,350
is not new there's been that interest

2691
02:07:19,479 --> 02:07:16,989
there I know they get a lot of heat over

2692
02:07:22,270 --> 02:07:19,489
Galileo but they're what a lot of people

2693
02:07:24,700 --> 02:07:22,280
don't know and I mean obviously Galileo

2694
02:07:28,140 --> 02:07:24,710
was basically forced into silence on

2695
02:07:30,510 --> 02:07:28,150
that his evidence for

2696
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:30,520
the Sun Center to heliocentric solar

2697
02:07:34,530 --> 02:07:32,410
system but that what a lot of people

2698
02:07:38,070 --> 02:07:34,540
don't realize is he was basing his

2699
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:38,080
research on the theories of Copernicus

2700
02:07:43,230 --> 02:07:40,810
who came down the pike about a century

2701
02:07:45,900 --> 02:07:43,240
before now Copernicus lived in Poland

2702
02:07:48,030 --> 02:07:45,910
and that was a Catholic country yeah

2703
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:48,040
back in those days it still is today

2704
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:52,960
and the Pope at the time was well aware

2705
02:07:56,940 --> 02:07:54,970
of what he was up to he didn't suffer

2706
02:08:00,660 --> 02:07:56,950
the same kind of persecution as a matter

2707
02:08:05,940 --> 02:08:00,670
of fact he had been received offers of

2708
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:05,950
support from significant individuals in

2709
02:08:09,930 --> 02:08:07,810
the church hierarchy I'd have to go back

2710
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:09,940
and look up as specific one of the

2711
02:08:14,130 --> 02:08:12,250
Cardinals I believe and in those day in

2712
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:14,140
that day and age you know you had to

2713
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:16,480
bring in monks basically to transcribe

2714
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:18,880
what was before the the Gutenberg press

2715
02:08:25,940 --> 02:08:22,330
so he was willing to put those kind of

2716
02:08:29,190 --> 02:08:25,950
people and Copernicus is the disposal so

2717
02:08:31,470 --> 02:08:29,200
the Catholic Church it's like anything

2718
02:08:34,740 --> 02:08:31,480
else with any hierarchical organization

2719
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:34,750
absolutely it's been around 2,000 years

2720
02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:36,850
there's a long history there and their

2721
02:08:42,270 --> 02:08:39,910
ups and downs so you know again

2722
02:08:44,430 --> 02:08:42,280
oversimplify things but well I mean the

2723
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:44,440
majority of Christianity does not

2724
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:45,970
believe in it they believe that there

2725
02:08:50,430 --> 02:08:48,490
there are demons around and that could

2726
02:08:52,230 --> 02:08:50,440
be newer thinking new AIDS thinking or

2727
02:08:53,730 --> 02:08:52,240
whatever do they do that that's that's

2728
02:08:57,570 --> 02:08:53,740
part of the thinking I mean the church

2729
02:08:59,430 --> 02:08:57,580
still have it as exorcists you know yeah

2730
02:09:01,170 --> 02:08:59,440
I'd like to just jump in and mention the

2731
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:01,180
Vatican advanced technology telescope

2732
02:09:06,780 --> 02:09:03,520
which they're in partnership with the

2733
02:09:09,420 --> 02:09:06,790
University of Arizona had another

2734
02:09:12,330 --> 02:09:09,430
question for you Dave just to wrap this

2735
02:09:14,610 --> 02:09:12,340
up a little bit and that is I know your

2736
02:09:16,950 --> 02:09:14,620
speaker conferences and I believe her

2737
02:09:20,460 --> 02:09:16,960
next conference is Toronto for alien

2738
02:09:23,700 --> 02:09:20,470
cosmic Expo on September 21st through

2739
02:09:26,250 --> 02:09:23,710
September 22nd and I question I have for

2740
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:26,260
you how many conferences have you had

2741
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:31,690
which ones let me let me rephrase it

2742
02:09:37,410 --> 02:09:33,850
how many conferences have you had and

2743
02:09:39,300 --> 02:09:37,420
what is the content about well the

2744
02:09:41,460 --> 02:09:39,310
conference's that I have spoken I think

2745
02:09:44,970 --> 02:09:41,470
I've spoken at about six or

2746
02:09:48,030 --> 02:09:44,980
around 6:00 now it's something that I am

2747
02:09:52,770 --> 02:09:48,040
quite new to because I am still new to

2748
02:09:54,750 --> 02:09:52,780
this field in sword away and you know as

2749
02:09:58,770 --> 02:09:54,760
the popularity the show goes and as

2750
02:10:00,300 --> 02:09:58,780
popular as as we are becoming people are

2751
02:10:04,530 --> 02:10:00,310
starting to ask questions especially

2752
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:04,540
because I am one of the only journalists

2753
02:10:11,340 --> 02:10:08,010
out there who is actually a an

2754
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:11,350
experiencer of the unknown as well which

2755
02:10:17,100 --> 02:10:14,410
makes it kind of intriguing last year I

2756
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:17,110
spoke at UFO Con in San Francisco

2757
02:10:22,650 --> 02:10:19,570
actually it was a year ago this weekend

2758
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:22,660
that I was there which was a real

2759
02:10:27,660 --> 02:10:25,090
eye-opener and a real push for what what

2760
02:10:30,660 --> 02:10:27,670
I have been you know doing and talking

2761
02:10:34,020 --> 02:10:30,670
about for a number of years and so I

2762
02:10:38,490 --> 02:10:34,030
think a conference the conference's are

2763
02:10:39,990 --> 02:10:38,500
a lot of fun I think that there is a lot

2764
02:10:43,470 --> 02:10:40,000
of topics that can be talked about like

2765
02:10:45,930 --> 02:10:43,480
when I speak at UFO or the alien cosmic

2766
02:10:48,510 --> 02:10:45,940
Expo in Toronto I will be talking about

2767
02:10:51,180 --> 02:10:48,520
my experiences about how it has affected

2768
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:51,190
my life and how it can affect other

2769
02:10:55,770 --> 02:10:54,130
people's lives as well not just from my

2770
02:10:57,900 --> 02:10:55,780
experiences but from their own

2771
02:10:59,400 --> 02:10:57,910
experiences and I'm going to be able to

2772
02:11:01,830 --> 02:10:59,410
meet new people there that I've never

2773
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:01,840
met before like Paula Harris Travis

2774
02:11:06,810 --> 02:11:04,810
Walton I've met Richard Dolan Paul

2775
02:11:07,410 --> 02:11:06,820
Hellyer Grant Cameron who will be there

2776
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:07,420
as well

2777
02:11:11,010 --> 02:11:09,280
Rob Freeman's gonna be there Ron

2778
02:11:12,900 --> 02:11:11,020
Freeman's Rob Freeman is going to be

2779
02:11:15,300 --> 02:11:12,910
there I'm very excited about meeting him

2780
02:11:18,930 --> 02:11:15,310
there's a great lineup there that goes

2781
02:11:21,090 --> 02:11:18,940
along with that and so you know you just

2782
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:21,100
try and you know not make an ass of

2783
02:11:28,350 --> 02:11:26,650
yourself really you want to got some

2784
02:11:30,870 --> 02:11:28,360
sort of credit modicum of credibility

2785
02:11:33,090 --> 02:11:30,880
coming on but the you have these

2786
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:33,100
conferences I really enjoy them and the

2787
02:11:38,970 --> 02:11:35,890
reason why I enjoy them is because it

2788
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:38,980
brings a lot of people together you're

2789
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:42,010
not really there for answers you're

2790
02:11:46,650 --> 02:11:44,320
there to listen to the experiences and

2791
02:11:48,450 --> 02:11:46,660
the knowledge that people have gained if

2792
02:11:50,820 --> 02:11:48,460
you if you're able to gain something out

2793
02:11:53,660 --> 02:11:50,830
of it like for me it's different I go

2794
02:11:55,380 --> 02:11:53,670
when I go to a conference I'm going to

2795
02:11:58,650 --> 02:11:55,390
promote space to

2796
02:12:01,950 --> 02:11:58,660
radio I'm not so much there to listen to

2797
02:12:04,500 --> 02:12:01,960
what people have to say as I am there to

2798
02:12:07,410 --> 02:12:04,510
promote what we do to help grow our

2799
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:07,420
audience to a bigger level now are you

2800
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:08,770
going to try to corral some of these

2801
02:12:11,940 --> 02:12:10,330
other people there and now do a little

2802
02:12:14,700 --> 02:12:11,950
law on the spot interviewing and I know

2803
02:12:17,070 --> 02:12:14,710
you don't you know what I work five days

2804
02:12:20,610 --> 02:12:17,080
or I work seven days a week on the show

2805
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:20,620
I use it I haven't had a vacation a real

2806
02:12:28,620 --> 02:12:26,050
vacation since about 2012 2013 2012 as a

2807
02:12:31,260 --> 02:12:28,630
matter of fact so when I go to one of

2808
02:12:33,630 --> 02:12:31,270
these conferences I'm going to schmooze

2809
02:12:39,150 --> 02:12:33,640
I'm going to shake hands introduce

2810
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:39,160
myself have people chat with people and

2811
02:12:44,100 --> 02:12:41,530
get to know them and then get to know me

2812
02:12:47,730 --> 02:12:44,110
that's what strengthens up what we do on

2813
02:12:50,820 --> 02:12:47,740
on a on a nightly basis and on a weekly

2814
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:50,830
basis and so on and so forth but I go

2815
02:12:56,280 --> 02:12:53,890
for the the the event because it's my

2816
02:12:59,670 --> 02:12:56,290
time to relax in a field that I feel

2817
02:13:01,230 --> 02:12:59,680
very comfortable in and so I look

2818
02:13:03,420 --> 02:13:01,240
forward to it I really do

2819
02:13:07,500 --> 02:13:03,430
I wish a lot more of these conferences

2820
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:07,510
would do their homework on people and

2821
02:13:13,140 --> 02:13:10,690
you know really you know look every

2822
02:13:15,300 --> 02:13:13,150
every conference you're going to see the

2823
02:13:18,150 --> 02:13:15,310
same names okay like it's funny you

2824
02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:18,160
watch on social media and you see okay

2825
02:13:22,440 --> 02:13:20,290
oh Richard Dolan is speaking here grant

2826
02:13:25,020 --> 02:13:22,450
is speaking here here and here you know

2827
02:13:26,970 --> 02:13:25,030
every event seems to have either grant

2828
02:13:30,150 --> 02:13:26,980
or Richard or Linda Moulton Howe or

2829
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:30,160
travel without Travis absolutely they do

2830
02:13:34,410 --> 02:13:31,840
I'm gonna have got a theory Dave I think

2831
02:13:37,290 --> 02:13:34,420
when he was abducted that he was cloned

2832
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:37,300
because he's everywhere he is everywhere

2833
02:13:41,370 --> 02:13:39,370
but when you when you look at it you

2834
02:13:43,860 --> 02:13:41,380
have to understand that these this is

2835
02:13:46,830 --> 02:13:43,870
how these conferences make money you

2836
02:13:48,330 --> 02:13:46,840
have to bring in the names the popular a

2837
02:13:51,300 --> 02:13:48,340
listers if you want to call them a

2838
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:51,310
listers to make money okay because

2839
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:53,770
that's how they're paying their bills to

2840
02:13:58,020 --> 02:13:56,320
get the messages out of the B and C

2841
02:14:00,540 --> 02:13:58,030
Lister's that nobody has maybe ever

2842
02:14:03,060 --> 02:14:00,550
heard of or heard slightly of but

2843
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:03,070
doesn't know on a personal level all

2844
02:14:09,150 --> 02:14:08,170
right excuse me so I look at that and I

2845
02:14:12,030 --> 02:14:09,160
don't have a problem

2846
02:14:14,220 --> 02:14:12,040
a lot of people do you know but when you

2847
02:14:16,710 --> 02:14:14,230
look at these conferences and what I

2848
02:14:19,710 --> 02:14:16,720
mean by doing homework with a lot of

2849
02:14:21,720 --> 02:14:19,720
these conferences there's a lot of

2850
02:14:25,620 --> 02:14:21,730
conferences there who are bringing in

2851
02:14:29,010 --> 02:14:25,630
people who are lying about their titles

2852
02:14:33,420 --> 02:14:29,020
lying about their experiences lying

2853
02:14:34,590 --> 02:14:33,430
about their reputation and to me that's

2854
02:14:37,140 --> 02:14:34,600
disappointing

2855
02:14:40,920 --> 02:14:37,150
because there's a lot of good people out

2856
02:14:43,770 --> 02:14:40,930
there who are smart who are dedicated

2857
02:14:47,460 --> 02:14:43,780
who have never spoken at a conference

2858
02:14:49,980 --> 02:14:47,470
before or maybe they've done one maybe

2859
02:14:52,770 --> 02:14:49,990
two maximum who haven't got an

2860
02:14:55,500 --> 02:14:52,780
opportunity to do so like I'm blown away

2861
02:14:57,630 --> 02:14:55,510
that this year Chris Cogswell will be

2862
02:15:00,810 --> 02:14:57,640
speaking at his first conference in Los

2863
02:15:04,140 --> 02:15:00,820
Angeles now here's a guy who is Mullins

2864
02:15:07,080 --> 02:15:04,150
former scientist he's a brilliant mind

2865
02:15:09,420 --> 02:15:07,090
in this field he believes in UFOs he

2866
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:09,430
wants to find about him and and the

2867
02:15:13,740 --> 02:15:11,290
funny part about it is he's not even

2868
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:13,750
speaking on the science of it he's

2869
02:15:19,260 --> 02:15:16,480
speaking about podcasting why would you

2870
02:15:23,400 --> 02:15:19,270
wait but that's his choice though isn't

2871
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:23,410
that's not one I've done one and it was

2872
02:15:26,910 --> 02:15:24,880
like halo you know where we're bringing

2873
02:15:30,210 --> 02:15:26,920
you in and I went with my best material

2874
02:15:32,850 --> 02:15:30,220
it wasn't about I didn't have a podcast

2875
02:15:36,210 --> 02:15:32,860
I'm but I had a website I didn't talk

2876
02:15:39,330 --> 02:15:36,220
about web design or promoting know the

2877
02:15:41,460 --> 02:15:39,340
material that okay absolutely but would

2878
02:15:47,820 --> 02:15:41,470
you not rather see Cogswell talk about

2879
02:15:49,650 --> 02:15:47,830
the science of UFOs why is he doing that

2880
02:15:51,870 --> 02:15:49,660
is that his choice or was he told no

2881
02:15:54,630 --> 02:15:51,880
that's what he was told he's not gonna

2882
02:15:56,640 --> 02:15:54,640
turn down the opportunity Frank he's not

2883
02:15:58,860 --> 02:15:56,650
gonna turn down the opportunity none of

2884
02:16:01,620 --> 02:15:58,870
us would none of us would but it's still

2885
02:16:03,570 --> 02:16:01,630
disappointing in the fact that he's not

2886
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:03,580
being talked about what he should be

2887
02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:06,370
talking about right first but I don't

2888
02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:08,320
forget that I mean like like here's the

2889
02:16:13,470 --> 02:16:10,570
thing though if it's podcasting Frank

2890
02:16:15,570 --> 02:16:13,480
you got a popular show why wouldn't they

2891
02:16:18,750 --> 02:16:15,580
join you why wouldn't they choose Dave

2892
02:16:21,450 --> 02:16:18,760
Schrader why wouldn't they choose rich

2893
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:21,460
Giordano who's been in the field for 17

2894
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:23,050
years and not spoken at a

2895
02:16:27,390 --> 02:16:25,570
at a single conference right that's

2896
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:27,400
that's the thing that I would want to

2897
02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:30,010
hear is from podcasters or journalists

2898
02:16:33,810 --> 02:16:32,050
who are actually talking about this

2899
02:16:38,339 --> 02:16:33,820
field rather than a scientist who you're

2900
02:16:40,799 --> 02:16:38,349
wasting time on right yeah yeah well

2901
02:16:42,299 --> 02:16:40,809
I've got material you need to check out

2902
02:16:44,430 --> 02:16:42,309
my website if you haven't done it yet

2903
02:16:47,370 --> 02:16:44,440
well but that's what I'm saying though

2904
02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:47,380
is you host a popular show would you be

2905
02:16:51,330 --> 02:16:49,090
more addressed to talking about

2906
02:16:53,850 --> 02:16:51,340
podcasting and ufology rather than

2907
02:16:55,680 --> 02:16:53,860
having a great scientific name like

2908
02:16:58,530 --> 02:16:55,690
Cogswell doing it when he should be

2909
02:17:05,190 --> 02:16:58,540
speaking about the technologies and the

2910
02:17:07,140 --> 02:17:05,200
findings of metamaterials right but who

2911
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:07,150
made that decision now that that seems

2912
02:17:10,259 --> 02:17:09,010
bizarre to me let's let's bring a

2913
02:17:12,299 --> 02:17:10,269
scientist in here and have him talk

2914
02:17:14,339 --> 02:17:12,309
about podcasting it makes no sense but

2915
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:14,349
that's that's the organization who did

2916
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:15,730
that that's what I'm talking about

2917
02:17:20,430 --> 02:17:18,160
the homework we have people out there

2918
02:17:22,980 --> 02:17:20,440
who are claiming to be an investigative

2919
02:17:25,860 --> 02:17:22,990
journalists who've never worked in a

2920
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:25,870
newsroom who've never had journalism a

2921
02:17:30,390 --> 02:17:28,240
journalism background but their self

2922
02:17:34,650 --> 02:17:30,400
title in themselves in order to make

2923
02:17:37,680 --> 02:17:34,660
themselves seem more popular and more

2924
02:17:40,169 --> 02:17:37,690
credible than what they are well I'm an

2925
02:17:42,750 --> 02:17:40,179
UFO not that's my title well and that's

2926
02:17:45,530 --> 02:17:42,760
fine and dandy okay here okay let's take

2927
02:17:47,970 --> 02:17:45,540
an example grant Cameron has written

2928
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:47,980
numerous books on the subject you don't

2929
02:17:52,259 --> 02:17:50,050
see him calling himself an investigative

2930
02:17:54,660 --> 02:17:52,269
journalist he calls himself what he

2931
02:17:58,799 --> 02:17:54,670
taught what he is he's an author and a

2932
02:18:01,259 --> 02:17:58,809
researcher yeah and and the problem that

2933
02:18:04,200 --> 02:18:01,269
we're having in this newfound problem

2934
02:18:10,009 --> 02:18:04,210
that we're having as these topics become

2935
02:18:12,990 --> 02:18:10,019
more more oriented towards the public

2936
02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:13,000
people want a piece of that popularity

2937
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:15,490
and they will do whatever it takes in

2938
02:18:22,140 --> 02:18:19,090
order to get their name out there in the

2939
02:18:26,820 --> 02:18:22,150
field even if that means self titling

2940
02:18:30,720 --> 02:18:26,830
themselves right right self titling

2941
02:18:32,339 --> 02:18:30,730
themselves I wanted to bring up a really

2942
02:18:34,830 --> 02:18:32,349
interesting person that you brought up

2943
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:34,840
and that's Travis Walton the American

2944
02:18:40,770 --> 02:18:36,880
logger who was

2945
02:18:43,379 --> 02:18:40,780
I believe abducted and he's had a book

2946
02:18:44,730 --> 02:18:43,389
and a movie it was interesting to me

2947
02:18:49,560 --> 02:18:44,740
though I've really thought about this a

2948
02:18:51,889 --> 02:18:49,570
lot over the years how he was I mean

2949
02:18:55,740 --> 02:18:51,899
this just from a from my own perspective

2950
02:18:59,730 --> 02:18:55,750
just a regular guy and and this

2951
02:19:02,669 --> 02:18:59,740
experience happened to him and we all

2952
02:19:05,850 --> 02:19:02,679
know the story and it's just interesting

2953
02:19:08,339 --> 02:19:05,860
to me you know now he speaks so

2954
02:19:09,780 --> 02:19:08,349
seamlessly about the subject when I

2955
02:19:12,900 --> 02:19:09,790
interviewed him and I asked him

2956
02:19:16,440 --> 02:19:12,910
questions he was able to answer in such

2957
02:19:18,419 --> 02:19:16,450
an incredibly professional way and I

2958
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:18,429
don't think that he knew back then I

2959
02:19:23,219 --> 02:19:20,800
know he didn't obviously but to have

2960
02:19:27,799 --> 02:19:23,229
come from where he did to where he is

2961
02:19:31,469 --> 02:19:27,809
now the evolution of it is astounding

2962
02:19:33,780 --> 02:19:31,479
mm-hmm jump in here I met him a couple

2963
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:33,790
times I would say he's a guy like a lot

2964
02:19:37,139 --> 02:19:35,679
of people who have grown in the field

2965
02:19:37,889 --> 02:19:37,149
and developed new skills that they

2966
02:19:41,879 --> 02:19:37,899
didn't have before

2967
02:19:43,950 --> 02:19:41,889
Wow I think Dave your media skills came

2968
02:19:46,740 --> 02:19:43,960
in fully formed I don't know if you had

2969
02:19:48,690 --> 02:19:46,750
to do a lot of research on the tech to

2970
02:19:50,429 --> 02:19:48,700
pull your show off and all that I know

2971
02:19:52,770 --> 02:19:50,439
putting this together I did you know I

2972
02:19:56,460 --> 02:19:52,780
didn't know anything sand engineering

2973
02:19:58,650 --> 02:19:56,470
and noise gates my friends I'm blessed

2974
02:20:01,530 --> 02:19:58,660
to have a bunch of sound engineers and

2975
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:01,540
radio people who have helped me out I I

2976
02:20:05,429 --> 02:20:03,010
know how to speak in front of a

2977
02:20:08,219 --> 02:20:05,439
microphone I don't know much else okay

2978
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:08,229
okay so yeah I mean that that it's a

2979
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:10,090
little bit to take onto me I did it

2980
02:20:13,320 --> 02:20:11,439
because it was fun it was part of the

2981
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:13,330
process but there are a lot of people

2982
02:20:17,460 --> 02:20:15,490
who I'll give you a good example I'm a

2983
02:20:19,530 --> 02:20:17,470
big John Burroughs fan this is a guy who

2984
02:20:20,219 --> 02:20:19,540
was a witness or using the service he

2985
02:20:21,300 --> 02:20:20,229
was a kid

2986
02:20:22,980 --> 02:20:21,310
you know I don't think he was that far

2987
02:20:25,500 --> 02:20:22,990
out of high school at the time that

2988
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:25,510
incident happened and he's gotten

2989
02:20:29,490 --> 02:20:28,090
involved more recently he really took it

2990
02:20:32,490 --> 02:20:29,500
to another level when he started that

2991
02:20:34,530 --> 02:20:32,500
show over RK GRA with Linda Moulton Howe

2992
02:20:36,719 --> 02:20:34,540
I mean this is somebody who has grown in

2993
02:20:39,540 --> 02:20:36,729
the field and developed new skills that

2994
02:20:41,610 --> 02:20:39,550
you know obviously it's getting used

2995
02:20:43,290 --> 02:20:41,620
towards the UFO stuff but you never know

2996
02:20:45,179 --> 02:20:43,300
you might need it in some other venue as

2997
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:45,189
well I think it's a great thing I think

2998
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:47,050
it's one of the best things about the

2999
02:20:50,200 --> 02:20:49,600
field it's again a catalyst I've been

3000
02:20:51,790 --> 02:20:50,210
using that word

3001
02:20:53,620 --> 02:20:51,800
a lot but it's a catalyst for

3002
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:53,630
self-actualization I think it's

3003
02:20:58,390 --> 02:20:55,210
fantastic

3004
02:21:01,590 --> 02:20:58,400
yeah I mean there's a lot that goes into

3005
02:21:04,210 --> 02:21:01,600
this and in and putting the whole

3006
02:21:06,490 --> 02:21:04,220
process together I don't think the

3007
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:06,500
majority of people know how difficult it

3008
02:21:11,620 --> 02:21:09,770
actually is to put the show to put

3009
02:21:13,390 --> 02:21:11,630
anything together whether it's a radio

3010
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:13,400
show a YouTube channel or whatever like

3011
02:21:21,670 --> 02:21:16,610
I've never broadcast live

3012
02:21:22,810 --> 02:21:21,680
before I don't know how to do it and it

3013
02:21:25,420 --> 02:21:22,820
was funny because I was gonna actually

3014
02:21:28,900 --> 02:21:25,430
talk to you guys or or rich Giordano

3015
02:21:30,969 --> 02:21:28,910
about actually doing that yeah I mean I

3016
02:21:32,740 --> 02:21:30,979
think it's easy it's the only way we've

3017
02:21:35,350 --> 02:21:32,750
ever done it so it was pretty simple

3018
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:35,360
pretty straightforward I don't know if

3019
02:21:41,740 --> 02:21:38,050
you would have any problems as far as

3020
02:21:44,020 --> 02:21:41,750
hooking your I know you've got some

3021
02:21:45,310 --> 02:21:44,030
affiliates some broadcast affiliates I

3022
02:21:46,900 --> 02:21:45,320
don't know if there are any problems

3023
02:21:48,670 --> 02:21:46,910
involving that I don't know what kind of

3024
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:48,680
software years but yeah if you've got

3025
02:21:54,310 --> 02:21:50,240
any questions for me I'd be glad to

3026
02:21:55,900 --> 02:21:54,320
well yeah you know my biggest problem is

3027
02:22:00,010 --> 02:21:55,910
you got to realize I got a face for

3028
02:22:03,880 --> 02:22:00,020
radio Tom I'm sorry Frank I've got a

3029
02:22:06,100 --> 02:22:03,890
face for radio join and so you know

3030
02:22:08,770 --> 02:22:06,110
going on camera you know I mean we can't

3031
02:22:11,050 --> 02:22:08,780
all be as pretty as some people who have

3032
02:22:12,940 --> 02:22:11,060
YouTube channels out there but I mean

3033
02:22:15,730 --> 02:22:12,950
would I look at it I still believe that

3034
02:22:17,950 --> 02:22:15,740
radio is about painting a picture it's

3035
02:22:20,950 --> 02:22:17,960
not about a camera and it's funny

3036
02:22:23,170 --> 02:22:20,960
because I fought that for so long and

3037
02:22:27,060 --> 02:22:23,180
yet my audience is like we want you on

3038
02:22:32,890 --> 02:22:30,730
right yeah I I personally would not feel

3039
02:22:34,510 --> 02:22:32,900
like doing that just because it's an

3040
02:22:37,960 --> 02:22:34,520
additional hassle I couldn't be bothered

3041
02:22:40,030 --> 02:22:37,970
with but with the YouTube we've got we

3042
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:40,040
can play around a little bit we can run

3043
02:22:43,930 --> 02:22:42,170
videos like when I add which often on

3044
02:22:46,060 --> 02:22:43,940
the other night we were able to run that

3045
02:22:47,980 --> 02:22:46,070
a guardia video and people could watch

3046
02:22:51,130 --> 02:22:47,990
it as he was more or less describing

3047
02:22:53,410 --> 02:22:51,140
what happened you know you have the

3048
02:22:55,240 --> 02:22:53,420
slideshow and sometimes you know they're

3049
02:22:56,890 --> 02:22:55,250
they're just kind of pictures of whoever

3050
02:22:59,500 --> 02:22:56,900
we happen to have but there have been

3051
02:23:01,180 --> 02:22:59,510
instances where we're discussing a

3052
02:23:03,430 --> 02:23:01,190
particular case and we've got some image

3053
02:23:03,970 --> 02:23:03,440
files to sort of back up in illustrate

3054
02:23:05,951 --> 02:23:03,980
what we're talking

3055
02:23:07,780 --> 02:23:05,961
about so we're not exactly kind of a

3056
02:23:09,761 --> 02:23:07,790
hybrid that were more than radio but

3057
02:23:11,860 --> 02:23:09,771
we're not TV you know what I mean so

3058
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:11,870
it's been good and do more than a lot of

3059
02:23:16,780 --> 02:23:14,570
shows can do and you know if you can do

3060
02:23:19,631 --> 02:23:16,790
that it's a nice tool I think very

3061
02:23:20,320 --> 02:23:19,641
helpful again for the audience that's

3062
02:23:23,230 --> 02:23:20,330
what we're here for

3063
02:23:24,970 --> 02:23:23,240
you know well that's exactly it we have

3064
02:23:27,461 --> 02:23:24,980
to try and bring the truth and we got to

3065
02:23:30,341 --> 02:23:27,471
try and tell both sides of the story and

3066
02:23:32,381 --> 02:23:30,351
so many times in this in this medium and

3067
02:23:35,761 --> 02:23:32,391
it doesn't matter whether it's UFOs or

3068
02:23:38,320 --> 02:23:35,771
it's ghosts or or Bigfoot or

3069
02:23:41,020 --> 02:23:38,330
consciousness or anything to do with it

3070
02:23:44,350 --> 02:23:41,030
you know we have broken down these

3071
02:23:47,951 --> 02:23:44,360
systems so much into so many different

3072
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:47,961
genres that it's difficult for anybody

3073
02:23:52,421 --> 02:23:50,690
to get any type of truth because nobody

3074
02:23:54,430 --> 02:23:52,431
is dealing with the big picture anymore

3075
02:23:57,070 --> 02:23:54,440
very few are dealing with the big

3076
02:23:59,051 --> 02:23:57,080
picture well I know yeah why we try for

3077
02:24:01,421 --> 02:23:59,061
sure here there's some third they're out

3078
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:01,431
there you know grants got his show over

3079
02:24:06,131 --> 02:24:04,490
at kgr a John and Linda do their show

3080
02:24:08,291 --> 02:24:06,141
Dolan's got his shot there are others

3081
02:24:09,371 --> 02:24:08,301
too there's some very good shows out

3082
02:24:13,511 --> 02:24:09,381
there

3083
02:24:15,581 --> 02:24:13,521
Martin Martin Willis as his show

3084
02:24:17,740 --> 02:24:15,591
Alejandro does a show once in a while so

3085
02:24:19,421 --> 02:24:17,750
there I don't have enough time in today

3086
02:24:22,030 --> 02:24:19,431
to listen to all the good shows that are

3087
02:24:24,551 --> 02:24:22,040
out there it's pretty well developed

3088
02:24:26,621 --> 02:24:24,561
there are absolutely absolutely

3089
02:24:28,841 --> 02:24:26,631
and you know everybody is going to have

3090
02:24:30,400 --> 02:24:28,851
their own way of doing things so for

3091
02:24:32,951 --> 02:24:30,410
instance if you're a part of MUFON

3092
02:24:35,621 --> 02:24:32,961
you're gonna do things the MUFON way and

3093
02:24:38,020 --> 02:24:35,631
that may not be agreeable to a number of

3094
02:24:40,421 --> 02:24:38,030
people but to others it's the best way

3095
02:24:43,350 --> 02:24:40,431
out there okay you can talk about the

3096
02:24:46,001 --> 02:24:43,360
BFRO in the Bigfoot research

3097
02:24:48,671 --> 02:24:46,011
organization where they believe they are

3098
02:24:51,551 --> 02:24:48,681
they are focused on some sort of

3099
02:24:53,440 --> 02:24:51,561
Gigantopithecus and don't go into what a

3100
02:24:56,770 --> 02:24:53,450
lot of first nations believe which the

3101
02:24:58,900 --> 02:24:56,780
creature is a shapeshifter

3102
02:25:00,671 --> 02:24:58,910
or an interdimensional being that

3103
02:25:03,220 --> 02:25:00,681
there's something supernatural around it

3104
02:25:06,610 --> 02:25:03,230
okay that's fine for a number of people

3105
02:25:10,751 --> 02:25:06,620
but it's not fine for others there are

3106
02:25:13,121 --> 02:25:10,761
not enough outlets where we are able to

3107
02:25:15,881 --> 02:25:13,131
combine everything and that's when I

3108
02:25:17,470 --> 02:25:15,891
look at my show that's what I try and do

3109
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:17,480
so the person who

3110
02:25:23,470 --> 02:25:21,290
is you know talking Bigfoot and using

3111
02:25:25,870 --> 02:25:23,480
the word science on Bigfoot that work

3112
02:25:28,540 --> 02:25:25,880
where we believe this is a creature that

3113
02:25:30,970 --> 02:25:28,550
first nation stuff is hokey and my

3114
02:25:32,801 --> 02:25:30,980
question back will be how is it hokey

3115
02:25:33,850 --> 02:25:32,811
have you studied it no I don't study

3116
02:25:35,860 --> 02:25:33,860
that stuff well then you're not

3117
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:35,870
conducting anything scientific are you

3118
02:25:39,940 --> 02:25:38,090
well yeah we are because we're

3119
02:25:42,131 --> 02:25:39,950
conducting scientific experimentation

3120
02:25:43,570 --> 02:25:42,141
well no science is about proving and

3121
02:25:45,730 --> 02:25:43,580
disproving theory so if you're

3122
02:25:48,761 --> 02:25:45,740
automatically eliminating the first

3123
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:48,771
nations thought on this in regards to in

3124
02:25:54,881 --> 02:25:52,730
regards to what you believe and your

3125
02:25:57,640 --> 02:25:54,891
opinion you're not conducting anything

3126
02:26:00,370 --> 02:25:57,650
scientific you're conducting opinion and

3127
02:26:02,530 --> 02:26:00,380
that's what it comes down to and so

3128
02:26:05,650 --> 02:26:02,540
there's a lot of people who need to

3129
02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:05,660
answer some easy questions for others to

3130
02:26:11,640 --> 02:26:08,090
move on it doesn't matter what field you

3131
02:26:14,890 --> 02:26:11,650
are in but with the the advancement of

3132
02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:14,900
podcasting and YouTube channels and

3133
02:26:19,900 --> 02:26:16,970
blogging and vlogging and everything to

3134
02:26:24,100 --> 02:26:19,910
go we've broken it down into so many

3135
02:26:26,801 --> 02:26:24,110
different little sects that bringing it

3136
02:26:29,770 --> 02:26:26,811
all together is going to be extremely

3137
02:26:32,051 --> 02:26:29,780
difficult and another thing that I'm

3138
02:26:34,480 --> 02:26:32,061
finding in doing this is compared to

3139
02:26:38,110 --> 02:26:34,490
what I was doing which is more of

3140
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:38,120
writing up blogs and using text it can

3141
02:26:43,030 --> 02:26:40,970
be a little difficult for a person with

3142
02:26:45,160 --> 02:26:43,040
a limited amount of time to pour through

3143
02:26:47,410 --> 02:26:45,170
even an hour or an hour and a half or

3144
02:26:49,301 --> 02:26:47,420
two hours interview and they're getting

3145
02:26:50,740 --> 02:26:49,311
you know they might not already be

3146
02:26:53,980 --> 02:26:50,750
familiar with a lot of the stuff that

3147
02:26:56,620 --> 02:26:53,990
gets discussed but you know there's that

3148
02:26:58,600 --> 02:26:56,630
five minutes worth did you want to get

3149
02:27:01,360 --> 02:26:58,610
to and that's a big investment of time

3150
02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:01,370
for you know maybe that's not enough

3151
02:27:06,610 --> 02:27:04,130
return so I do see after having done

3152
02:27:08,770 --> 02:27:06,620
this for not quite a year now that there

3153
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:08,780
are some limitations in this it's nice

3154
02:27:12,610 --> 02:27:10,490
to have it's nice to have that

3155
02:27:14,140 --> 02:27:12,620
instantaneous interaction that we get

3156
02:27:16,060 --> 02:27:14,150
with guests like you and the other

3157
02:27:18,690 --> 02:27:16,070
people that we've had on the show but

3158
02:27:21,761 --> 02:27:18,700
there are pros and cons to every

3159
02:27:23,801 --> 02:27:21,771
absolutely venue and every format and

3160
02:27:27,730 --> 02:27:23,811
absolutely I can tell you right now

3161
02:27:29,620 --> 02:27:27,740
Geraldine Orosco is one of my if you

3162
02:27:31,370 --> 02:27:29,630
look at my ratings numbers that I look

3163
02:27:33,469 --> 02:27:31,380
at she is one of my most popular

3164
02:27:34,670 --> 02:27:33,479
yes it's really the one time in the

3165
02:27:38,210 --> 02:27:34,680
month where I go into like real

3166
02:27:40,520 --> 02:27:38,220
spiritual and zen and consciousness and

3167
02:27:42,050 --> 02:27:40,530
all of that kind of stuff my audience

3168
02:27:46,310 --> 02:27:42,060
doesn't care for that those are the

3169
02:27:49,820 --> 02:27:46,320
slowest nights of the month in my chat

3170
02:27:54,320 --> 02:27:49,830
rooms but you look at my numbers overall

3171
02:27:56,929 --> 02:27:54,330
they're higher so the people the fact is

3172
02:27:59,179 --> 02:27:56,939
people will tune out if they don't hear

3173
02:28:01,850 --> 02:27:59,189
something that they don't like which is

3174
02:28:04,940 --> 02:28:01,860
fine you have to give them you can't

3175
02:28:06,980 --> 02:28:04,950
control who your audience brings on but

3176
02:28:08,360 --> 02:28:06,990
I know if I have a UFO night or the

3177
02:28:11,650 --> 02:28:08,370
other night I talked about the Dyatlov

3178
02:28:13,969 --> 02:28:11,660
pass incident my number skyrocketed

3179
02:28:16,400 --> 02:28:13,979
skyrocketed because those type of

3180
02:28:20,210 --> 02:28:16,410
mysteries UFO is alien abductions

3181
02:28:23,240 --> 02:28:20,220
Bigfoot they they create some sort of

3182
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:23,250
fear that keeps people there you know so

3183
02:28:26,900 --> 02:28:25,920
you have to go with it okay let me jump

3184
02:28:28,280 --> 02:28:26,910
in here I'll tell you this name

3185
02:28:31,690 --> 02:28:28,290
sometimes you just have to do a show for

3186
02:28:34,850 --> 02:28:31,700
yourself because you just exactly you a

3187
02:28:36,950 --> 02:28:34,860
baby you know I I don't even care if

3188
02:28:39,230 --> 02:28:36,960
anybody looks at it I want to talk to

3189
02:28:41,750 --> 02:28:39,240
this guy or gal for an hour or two hours

3190
02:28:46,130 --> 02:28:41,760
or absolutely absolutely but you know

3191
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:46,140
what we've become so fashioned in this

3192
02:28:49,550 --> 02:28:46,800
field

3193
02:28:51,469 --> 02:28:49,560
okay people have become so faction so

3194
02:28:53,690 --> 02:28:51,479
for instance I'll give you an example

3195
02:28:55,850 --> 02:28:53,700
and I'm gonna bring this up because Tom

3196
02:28:59,690 --> 02:28:55,860
Whitmore who I consider a friend is in

3197
02:29:02,450 --> 02:28:59,700
your chat room yes okay and he's on the

3198
02:29:05,810 --> 02:29:02,460
board of directors of MUFON okay the way

3199
02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:05,820
I talk about MUFON would lead a lot of

3200
02:29:12,139 --> 02:29:08,640
people to believe that I'm not a fan of

3201
02:29:15,350 --> 02:29:12,149
them or I'm not a fan of the to the

3202
02:29:19,580 --> 02:29:15,360
stars Academy because I push them very

3203
02:29:22,700 --> 02:29:19,590
very hard I've never said I'm not a fan

3204
02:29:25,639 --> 02:29:22,710
of MUFON I'm not a fan of some of the

3205
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:25,649
things that they are or are not doing

3206
02:29:33,679 --> 02:29:30,210
and my job as a journalist is to bring

3207
02:29:36,020 --> 02:29:33,689
those answers to the public because my

3208
02:29:40,010 --> 02:29:36,030
opinion whether it's of to the stars

3209
02:29:43,100 --> 02:29:40,020
whether it's a MUFON BFRO or zak bagans

3210
02:29:45,310 --> 02:29:43,110
on Ghost Adventures my opinion doesn't

3211
02:29:48,131 --> 02:29:45,320
matter my job is to bring

3212
02:29:50,740 --> 02:29:48,141
the questions that my audience has and

3213
02:29:52,841 --> 02:29:50,750
if they have concerns about paranormal

3214
02:29:55,301 --> 02:29:52,851
television if they have concerns about

3215
02:29:57,341 --> 02:29:55,311
what has happened internally with MUFON

3216
02:30:00,091 --> 02:29:57,351
or what's happening with to the stars

3217
02:30:03,041 --> 02:30:00,101
I have to go with what my audience is

3218
02:30:05,530 --> 02:30:03,051
asking me to go with because it's all

3219
02:30:09,370 --> 02:30:05,540
about them this is nothing to do with my

3220
02:30:11,650 --> 02:30:09,380
personal opinion on anything all right

3221
02:30:14,770 --> 02:30:11,660
if I didn't like MUFON I sure as hell

3222
02:30:17,860 --> 02:30:14,780
wouldn't call Tom a friend or Terry Lang

3223
02:30:22,390 --> 02:30:17,870
a friend or other people who I know a

3224
02:30:24,671 --> 02:30:22,400
friend right i'ma hate the whole

3225
02:30:28,120 --> 02:30:24,681
organization but there are questions

3226
02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:28,130
that the public wants to know why and

3227
02:30:35,530 --> 02:30:32,000
the problem that we have and many people

3228
02:30:37,900 --> 02:30:35,540
will disagree with me on this but this

3229
02:30:41,530 --> 02:30:37,910
is just my opinion the problem that we

3230
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:41,540
have Frank is that for so long there has

3231
02:30:51,370 --> 02:30:46,490
never been a quality journalistic outlet

3232
02:30:54,341 --> 02:30:51,380
in the entire paranormal realm that many

3233
02:30:57,730 --> 02:30:54,351
of these groups could be accused of

3234
02:31:01,120 --> 02:30:57,740
going silent because they don't want to

3235
02:31:04,330 --> 02:31:01,130
ask answer the question number one but

3236
02:31:07,961 --> 02:31:04,340
number two they also know that this

3237
02:31:10,810 --> 02:31:07,971
field will move on to another I'm

3238
02:31:14,320 --> 02:31:10,820
offended peace very very quickly

3239
02:31:16,780 --> 02:31:14,330
therefore they can get they can win by

3240
02:31:19,001 --> 02:31:16,790
time do you see it I'm saying well yeah

3241
02:31:22,900 --> 02:31:19,011
but we had Jen on a little over a week

3242
02:31:25,030 --> 02:31:22,910
ago and you know yes yeah answered every

3243
02:31:27,041 --> 02:31:25,040
question I had I think I dug got kind of

3244
02:31:28,930 --> 02:31:27,051
deep to not even just talking about he

3245
02:31:31,421 --> 02:31:28,940
did some some of the stuff that there's

3246
02:31:34,091 --> 02:31:31,431
going on now but I went back to some

3247
02:31:36,910 --> 02:31:34,101
older stuff where it got controversial

3248
02:31:38,740 --> 02:31:36,920
and so we asked them you know we asked

3249
02:31:40,810 --> 02:31:38,750
them the questions he had his answers

3250
02:31:43,480 --> 02:31:40,820
and people can make of it what they will

3251
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:43,490
basically I think we held up our end did

3252
02:31:47,410 --> 02:31:45,170
he he held up his end he answered

3253
02:31:49,810 --> 02:31:47,420
everything well I know from listening to

3254
02:31:51,820 --> 02:31:49,820
previous shows and and listening to you

3255
02:31:54,310 --> 02:31:51,830
tonight I know you asked some very

3256
02:31:57,580 --> 02:31:54,320
difficult questions and and you do the

3257
02:31:59,201 --> 02:31:57,590
job that you're supposed to do and you

3258
02:32:01,481 --> 02:31:59,211
know that's the way it's supposed

3259
02:32:03,701 --> 02:32:01,491
to be is some of these people have to

3260
02:32:05,681 --> 02:32:03,711
answer whether it's Jen whether it's

3261
02:32:10,181 --> 02:32:05,691
people from to the stars whether it's

3262
02:32:12,011 --> 02:32:10,191
obviously related we would all never get

3263
02:32:14,291 --> 02:32:12,021
them on we would all love to get them on

3264
02:32:17,891 --> 02:32:14,301
but these people need to start answering

3265
02:32:21,841 --> 02:32:17,901
some tough questions and they're not for

3266
02:32:26,081 --> 02:32:21,851
the sake of us being a jerk as a host

3267
02:32:29,201 --> 02:32:26,091
these are the concerns that many people

3268
02:32:31,871 --> 02:32:29,211
in the field have and they just want to

3269
02:32:35,201 --> 02:32:31,881
know some answers the people deserve

3270
02:32:37,331 --> 02:32:35,211
that any good media outlet will not ask

3271
02:32:40,271 --> 02:32:37,341
the questions for themselves they will

3272
02:32:42,761 --> 02:32:40,281
ask them for their listeners because in

3273
02:32:46,331 --> 02:32:42,771
the end that's what's important

3274
02:32:47,591 --> 02:32:46,341
it isn't about themselves but I would I

3275
02:32:51,281 --> 02:32:47,601
would like to make clear there's a

3276
02:32:54,791 --> 02:32:51,291
difference between you know acting along

3277
02:32:58,001 --> 02:32:54,801
the ethical lines of journalism whether

3278
02:32:59,441 --> 02:32:58,011
it's a self titled you know people are

3279
02:33:00,581 --> 02:32:59,451
calling themselves journalists or not

3280
02:33:04,151 --> 02:33:00,591
because you don't have to have a degree

3281
02:33:06,371 --> 02:33:04,161
to be called a journalist and character

3282
02:33:09,011 --> 02:33:06,381
assassination you know there's a few

3283
02:33:15,881 --> 02:33:09,021
hosts out there that are taking it upon

3284
02:33:18,541 --> 02:33:15,891
themselves to actually call people let

3285
02:33:22,211 --> 02:33:18,551
me just put it this way they're making

3286
02:33:25,661 --> 02:33:22,221
strange and outrageous accusations about

3287
02:33:27,341 --> 02:33:25,671
people and making a point of it that is

3288
02:33:30,101 --> 02:33:27,351
their main motivation for every

3289
02:33:31,901 --> 02:33:30,111
broadcast or a majority of them where

3290
02:33:34,001 --> 02:33:31,911
they're targeting individuals and

3291
02:33:36,371 --> 02:33:34,011
they're saying extremely negative things

3292
02:33:40,271 --> 02:33:36,381
about them I think there's a difference

3293
02:33:42,491 --> 02:33:40,281
between that and journalism absolutely

3294
02:33:44,831 --> 02:33:42,501
there is and that's the problem with

3295
02:33:48,251 --> 02:33:44,841
this field when you have people who are

3296
02:33:51,551 --> 02:33:48,261
untrained okay when you have people who

3297
02:33:53,951 --> 02:33:51,561
are using this self titling okay to say

3298
02:33:56,891 --> 02:33:53,961
that they are something that they're not

3299
02:33:59,711 --> 02:33:56,901
that's the danger in in the end this all

3300
02:34:02,201 --> 02:33:59,721
and that's the unfortunate aspect that

3301
02:34:05,171 --> 02:34:02,211
YouTube has provided BlogTalkRadio

3302
02:34:09,131 --> 02:34:05,181
Spreaker mix ler is they provided

3303
02:34:11,381 --> 02:34:09,141
everybody with a voice okay and they've

3304
02:34:13,060 --> 02:34:11,391
provided everybody with an opportunity

3305
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:13,070
to have that voice

3306
02:34:18,250 --> 02:34:15,530
the unfortunate part about it is a lot

3307
02:34:21,790 --> 02:34:18,260
of these people are saying or are hiding

3308
02:34:24,790 --> 02:34:21,800
behind the words journalism in order to

3309
02:34:27,610 --> 02:34:24,800
get their points across okay

3310
02:34:30,100 --> 02:34:27,620
that is what is very concerning for me

3311
02:34:33,790 --> 02:34:30,110
okay now a lot of people will sit there

3312
02:34:36,520 --> 02:34:33,800
and say well we'll sit there and say

3313
02:34:39,820 --> 02:34:36,530
guys that oh well I conduct things on a

3314
02:34:42,340 --> 02:34:39,830
journalistic way or I'm a I'm a I'm a

3315
02:34:44,380 --> 02:34:42,350
journalist in this regard or that regard

3316
02:34:46,930 --> 02:34:44,390
but you know what if I went and stole

3317
02:34:48,730 --> 02:34:46,940
the valour of a soldier I've never

3318
02:34:51,310 --> 02:34:48,740
served in the military if I went and

3319
02:34:54,370 --> 02:34:51,320
stole the valour of a police officer a

3320
02:34:57,880 --> 02:34:54,380
soldier a firefighter or a doctor I can

3321
02:35:00,310 --> 02:34:57,890
be arrested yet if I steal the the the

3322
02:35:03,640 --> 02:35:00,320
title of being a journalist which I am

3323
02:35:06,430 --> 02:35:03,650
NOT I can get television shows I can get

3324
02:35:09,880 --> 02:35:06,440
radio interviews I can be interviewed at

3325
02:35:13,360 --> 02:35:09,890
all sorts of different para cons UFO

3326
02:35:14,950 --> 02:35:13,370
cons etc and that's the difference and

3327
02:35:16,511 --> 02:35:14,960
you doubt with all that was a media

3328
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:16,521
background in radio and the sports

3329
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:17,930
coverage that you did you don't consider

3330
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:20,570
yourself to be a journalist I am a

3331
02:35:30,310 --> 02:35:28,160
journalist who are claiming themselves

3332
02:35:31,960 --> 02:35:30,320
to be journalists who have no modicum of

3333
02:35:36,700 --> 02:35:31,970
respect for the field that they are

3334
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:36,710
claiming to be a part of you know I did

3335
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:38,810
want to ask a one last question of you

3336
02:35:45,700 --> 02:35:43,130
and that is is there anything else that

3337
02:35:48,520 --> 02:35:45,710
you would like to cover regarding the

3338
02:35:50,530 --> 02:35:48,530
topic of UF ology in a brief sense is

3339
02:35:52,180 --> 02:35:50,540
there something that you can say sort of

3340
02:35:54,580 --> 02:35:52,190
as a summary regarding what we have to

3341
02:35:57,580 --> 02:35:54,590
look forward to you know the future of

3342
02:35:59,860 --> 02:35:57,590
UFO gee I think people just need to keep

3343
02:36:02,530 --> 02:35:59,870
moving and keep rolling and keep doing

3344
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:02,540
with what they want to do okay but be

3345
02:36:08,880 --> 02:36:05,330
honest about it stop making yourself

3346
02:36:12,220 --> 02:36:08,890
look better the hard work will pay off

3347
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:12,230
okay people will find you if you do it

3348
02:36:17,050 --> 02:36:14,450
the right way stop biessing your

3349
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:17,060
audience stop biessing your followers

3350
02:36:21,370 --> 02:36:19,610
try being honest with yourself and the

3351
02:36:23,800 --> 02:36:21,380
people who are supporting you for once

3352
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:23,810
because that's the way we're going to

3353
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:26,960
get answers in this field that's the way

3354
02:36:32,349 --> 02:36:29,930
people are going to get what they can

3355
02:36:34,929 --> 02:36:32,359
out of the knowledge that you have to

3356
02:36:36,700 --> 02:36:34,939
bring stop being a charlatan that's what

3357
02:36:39,309 --> 02:36:36,710
we got to end I think that is one of the

3358
02:36:41,349 --> 02:36:39,319
most dangerous parts of this entire

3359
02:36:43,450 --> 02:36:41,359
field right now is there are too many

3360
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:43,460
charlatans too many people claiming

3361
02:36:48,670 --> 02:36:46,010
things that they are not and we got to

3362
02:36:51,250 --> 02:36:48,680
get back to basics and start being able

3363
02:36:53,650 --> 02:36:51,260
to to take these experiences that people

3364
02:36:56,290 --> 02:36:53,660
are having and enjoy them for what they

3365
02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:56,300
are and looking into them for what they

3366
02:37:00,639 --> 02:36:59,120
could be Dave Scott thank you for having

3367
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:00,649
been on our show I'd like to let

3368
02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:03,290
everyone of our listeners know that he

3369
02:37:10,090 --> 02:37:06,560
is going to be the Toronto for alien

3370
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:10,100
Cosmo ex cosmic Expo on September 21st

3371
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:13,040
through the 22nd and it's been such a

3372
02:37:16,590 --> 02:37:15,290
fantastic time and very special time to

3373
02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:16,600
spent with you today thank you Dave

3374
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:18,560
thank you Frank

3375
02:37:23,080 --> 02:37:21,410
I pretension what a pleasure yeah a lot

3376
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:23,090
of fun having you on Dave I love the

3377
02:37:26,590 --> 02:37:25,010
back and forth we get going a little bit

3378
02:37:28,179 --> 02:37:26,600
but that's cool I love it

3379
02:37:30,639 --> 02:37:28,189
that's what we're here for you know

3380
02:37:33,639 --> 02:37:30,649
absolutely my friend and you know what

3381
02:37:35,740 --> 02:37:33,649
you know what you we proved to Ellen the

3382
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:35,750
end with this Frank we proved today that

3383
02:37:40,809 --> 02:37:37,760
we don't have to agree to have a good

3384
02:37:42,969 --> 02:37:40,819
conversation create dialogue absolutely

3385
02:37:45,550 --> 02:37:42,979
that's a that's what it's all about that

3386
02:37:47,290 --> 02:37:45,560
that's the fun part I enjoyed the hell

3387
02:37:49,360 --> 02:37:47,300
out of a day but the link will be up and

3388
02:37:52,330 --> 02:37:49,370
I got a scoot I got a four o'clock I

3389
02:37:54,429 --> 02:37:52,340
gotta get to so I have to go but the

3390
02:37:57,490 --> 02:37:54,439
link will be up shortly the video will

3391
02:37:59,110 --> 02:37:57,500
process and should be up in an hour so

3392
02:38:01,210 --> 02:37:59,120
if you missed the first part it'll be

3393
02:38:03,370 --> 02:38:01,220
ready to go soon enough thanks everybody

3394
02:38:05,260 --> 02:38:03,380
a chant we're on now later on this week

3395
02:38:07,900 --> 02:38:05,270
we've got a couple people including a

3396
02:38:09,729 --> 02:38:07,910
one that Dave turned us on to let me

3397
02:38:11,769 --> 02:38:09,739
pull that up but we've got on the agenda

3398
02:38:13,540 --> 02:38:11,779
and we'll go through we've got that

3399
02:38:15,670 --> 02:38:13,550
Michael Hall this coming Tuesday night

3400
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:15,680
we've got that Bruce Cornett we've got

3401
02:38:20,139 --> 02:38:18,080
well that's a tentative yet

3402
02:38:21,969 --> 02:38:20,149
Keith pastor fields coming up next week

3403
02:38:24,130 --> 02:38:21,979
Michael masters is going to be back on

3404
02:38:26,290 --> 02:38:24,140
with us so we've got a good lineup lined

3405
02:38:28,540 --> 02:38:26,300
up and that will be filling in more

3406
02:38:31,599 --> 02:38:28,550
along the way so Jan thanks again Dave

3407
02:38:33,490 --> 02:38:31,609
thanks again good night everybody enjoy